John,

> In this context, my precise objection to what is going on now
> rests on a comparison with that style of leadership.  Jon's
> style involved persuasion, logic, facts, and trying to
> understand the point of view of those with whom he disagreed.
> Like you, I disagreed with some of his positions and decisions,
> and I found him quite stubborn when he thought he was right (not
> always a bad trait), but I could almost always end up
> understanding his point of view.  By contrast, we are now seeing
> a different style of position-taking and decision-making, one
> that terrifies me.  The new style involves assertions of the
> "rights" of the people who occupy IESG and IAB seats (because
> they are in those seats) instead of explanation and openness
> with the community about details and options, and involves
> (virtually) shouting "wrong" instead of engaging in discussion
> and persuasion.

Perhaps the IETF traditional motto, "rough consensus and working
code" should be revised to make it clear that the "rough consensus"
goes only up to a certain point, but after that point the IETF
operates solely by a decree from the IESG.

Yakov.

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