On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Erik Nordmark wrote: > Tony Hain wrote: > > >>Why are we wasting effort in every WG and research area on NAT traversal > >>crap??? > > FWIW I'm also concerned that we are doing too many different NAT > traversal protocols. It should be sufficient to just define how IPv6 is > tunneled across NATs and start using more IPv6 in the applications.
I agree wholeheartedly. Lets face the reality of the situation. Carriers have abused IPv4 for financial reasons. As a result, NAT is widely deployed, because it was and is an effective workaround for dealing with siad carriers trying to squeeze extra money from IP addresses. There is nothing that can be done about that now, except implement the solution that has been written to solve the problem, IPv6, right on top of the existing NAT's. With full application layer support for v6, NAT will eventually deprecate, and be little more than a bad memory. The open source community has a wide variety of v6 enabled daemons and clients already, for almost every widely used protocol. While these can easily be implemented on any host, good luck getting the general public to do so. The solution for migration most likely lies in somebody developing a little v6 router, that autoconfigs a tunnel with a small allocation of addresses. Scott > > >>On another topic, why is it that the API is so sacred that we will create > >>a massive array of complex approaches to avoid defining a real session > >>layer. We put imitation session efforts at layer 4 (SCTP), layer 3.5 (HIP), > >>layer 3.25 (shim), and the TRILL crap is trying to do it at layer 2.5. > > I don't understand what makes you think TRILL is trying to do a session > layer. If it does, then any other routing and tunneling approach should > also be given the same verdict. > > Erik > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
