Phill,
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: ...
The problem that arises with ADs is when they start insisting on silly ideas that they are personally invested in like the jihad against NAT, firewalls and anything else that 'breaks' the end-to-end principle.
I think this is immoderate use of language, to say the least.
There is a body of work from the IAB, not the IESG, about the deep problems caused by NATs and other middleboxes. That doesn't mean that the IESG has its head in the sand - the IETF has to deal with reality, even when it's distasteful.
The IESG rules mean that any AD can vote 'Discuss'.
Er, yes, I think it's known as collective responsibility in some circles. It would happen much less often if WGs conducted their own cross-area review before drafts were passed on to the IESG.
Brian
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