Facts, yes.  

"When you associate with anti-semites, you become one."

                --Dean

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> > **** is a documented liar, and ****'s associate ****
> > (formerly of ****) has been proven in court to be a liar on 3 separate
> > court cases.  And ****'s only regret in those cases is that he told the
> > court the truth when asked if he had subscribers. **** was shut for
> > contempt of court when **** published his blacklist instead of complying
> > with a court order to remove false entries.  You should review
> > http://www.****.org, although it is not complete.
> 
> This sort of assertion really has no place on an IETF list, regardless
> of whether it's true. It's as ad hominem as you can get, and that
> isn't how we debate here. Facts yes, people no.
> 
> Thanks
>      Brian
> 
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