Normally, I would agree, but in one area in particular where I'm active, RAI, I've seen it all. There has been a ton of work that was "interesting" and "nice to have."
Also, I am a big proponent of microeconomics, which would have rational actors only put forth and push stuff clearly needed for products. HOWEVER, in the "highest" IETF fashion, I've regularly seen multiple folks from the same company arguing against each other in the working groups. I would have much more appreciated their working out their differences at home and bring in their 'corporate' position :) Likewise, often I see folks bring something that "needs to be solved" to the IETF. This can generate lots of interest, especially if the person with the problem is a customer. However, that still doesn't mean the solution space is in the realm of the IETF. -----Original Message----- From: Gray, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:03 PM To: Burger, Eric Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: Working Group chartering Eric, --- [SNIP --- --> IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on --> an idea. We then spend tons of resources on figuring out if the --> idea will work. We produce lots of half-baked documents with --> little basis in working code. Then folks try implementing --> what's been spec'ed, find it doesn't work, but then find a ton --> of resistance to change, because the specs are three years old --> and "we don't want to break draft-mumble-05 implementations." --> --> If something is an idea, let's make it politically acceptable --> for the "work" to be done in the I*R*TF first. --> --- [SNIP] --- I think this is a gross mischaraterization of current practice in the IETF generally - however many exceptions we might find. Usually - at least among those of us that work for a living - we would not bring something to the IETF unless we were already in the process of implementing it and we have been encouraged by our employers (or - indirectly - by our customers) to bring it to the IETF. When people bring ideas to the IETF that "seem like a good thing" but aren't practical or implementable at the current time, they are usually encouraged to take those ideas to the IRTF. -- Eric _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
