Hi

The current text in section 3 of my draft is mostly a copy/paste from RFC 3551. 
Are you suggesting to replace the whole block by a reference to RFC3551 section 
4.1?

With you comment that it is specific to G.729.1, I see no reason for an 
implementation to not set M=1 as expected. So I'm also OK to replace the SHOULD 
by a MUST in the current text.

What option seems the best?

Aurelien


> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Roni Even [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Envoyé : mardi 23 septembre 2008 12:46
> À : 'Spencer Dawkins'; SOLLAUD Aurelien RD-CORE-LAN
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> Objet : RE: Late Last Call Gen-ART review of 
> draft-ietf-avt-rfc4749-dtx-update-01
> 
> Hi,
> This text is just relevant to G.729.1 and not to other 
> codecs, so if you want to add a reason for the SHOULD it 
> should be based on RFC4749 implementations that would not 
> send M=1. Maybe the text should say that if DTX is offered 
> the sender must set the M bit according to RFC 3551.
> Roni
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: Late Last Call Gen-ART review of
> draft-ietf-avt-rfc4749-dtx-update-01
> 
> Hi, Aurelien,
> 
> I think we're good on almost everything in your response.
> 
> On the SHOULD/MUST below, it could very well be OK to have 
> this as SHOULD, but we've been asking for some indication of 
> reasons why SHOULDs might not be implemented - which could be 
> as simple as "there is a lot of deployed code that didn't 
> implement this, because it was a SHOULD in RFC 3551".
> 
> If you leave this as SHOULD, you might want to say something 
> about the effect on receivers, since conformant sender 
> implementations aren't doing something that the spec assumed 
> they would be doing. In this case, you're saying that the 
> receiver can't look at the M-bit to identify the beginning of 
> a talkspurt, right?
> 
> If you get any other feedback about SHOULD/MUST here, please 
> take that into account, of course...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Spencer
> 
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> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Thank you for the review.
> Below some answers.
> 
> Aurelien
> 
> > 3.  RTP Header Usage
> >
> >    If DTX is used, the first packet of a talkspurt, that 
> is, the first
> >    packet after a silence period during which packets have not been
> >    transmitted contiguously, SHOULD be distinguished by 
> setting the M
> >
> > Spencer (review): why not MUST here?
> >
> 
> [AS] It is the wording from RFC 3551 (4.1).
> It could be a MUST, but I saw no reason to be stronger than 
> the RTP spec. 
> 
> 
> 
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