This all smells bad. regards joe baptista
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:48 AM, linuxa linux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Doug, Thanks for your response that shows your knowledge and expertise > about internet / computer things, common sense, organisational topics and > also the replacing k/K to unicode 0915 glyph shape issue. > > "........You might as well send your message to your MP or to the Queen, > for all the good it will do to send it to IETF." > > Airing the issue to the internet / computer community. > > > "I don't speak for their mailing-list administrator........." > > The Unicode.org website home page copy that I quoted is not factual. > > > "Accusing an organization of process failure and insensitivity and > stubbornness is not usually a productive way to get them to come around to > your point of view." > > The Unicode.org website page copy that I quoted is not factual. > > > "You have stipulated that this constitutes........" > > The Unicode.org website page copy that I quoted is not factual. There > should be some limitations. They don't have a demo that proves the first > quote and the Unicode.org is not a framework. > > > ".......You are accusing Unicode of things it is not responsible for. This > is like blaming the weatherman when it rains." > > The Unicode.org website page copy that I quoted is not factual. There > should be some limitations. They should clarify what they are not > responsible for. Their home page copy that I quoted is a trap for > Unicode.org and readers. > > > "You are trying to change the basic form of a letter that has existed in > the Latin alphabet for over two thousand years, on the basis of an > association between the K glyph and the intersection of three rivers, > derived loosely from a secondary Krishna text. ["that the letter K > represents suicide and needs to be changed"] You are trying to change the > basic form of a letter recognized by billions of people, and one of your > first moves is to approach an international standards-making organization, > which does NOT standardize the Latin alphabet itself and is NOT in the > business of deciding what letters are supposed to look like, and accuse them > of improper conduct because they do not immediately modify their charts and > develop new fonts based on your views, which so far I have only heard from > ONE person. To say you are outside the mainstream would be a serious > understatement." > > The latin / roman k/K letter needs to be replaced to another shape for > reasons you know. You have to understand that issue is beyond > organisational management because it is related to human life. Approaching > Unicode.org and IETF.org was essential because they claim to have various > controls over internet / computer transmitted language. Some helpful > interim things should be put in place, leadership and management is much > needed. Unicode.org website home page communicates the wrong impression and > they should correct that. > > > "Style of what?....Content of what? The standard is described in > excruciating detail at > http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/......Unicode doesn't tell > people how to design user interfaces. That is > completely up to application developers, as it should be.....See > http://www.unicode.org/consortium/join.html .....Unicode doesn't tell > people how to build applications, whether open-source or proprietary. Do > you feel it should?" > > Thus Unicode.org has not any framework. Certain programmers thus become > baffled. The Unicode.org home page copy that I quoted is not factual. > There should be some limitations. > > > "It does not say that it will take you by the hand and show you how to > program, configure, or use a computer in any language." > > Unicode.org are unjustly saying things on the website home page copy that I > quoted, they are not communicating there what they are not responsible for. > They are leaving this to other imaginations and trapping themselves and > others. > > > "Unicode makes it possible to put tens of thousands of different characters > on a .....a plain-text document" > > I refer to .txt files, are you also suggesting that you can put save a .txt > file on the computer that has unicode 0915 glyph shape? > > > "What sort of "framework" are you looking for to accomplish your goals? Be > specific, please, for once." > > I was being specific that there is not any framework about Style, Content, > User Interface, Membership and Extensions, these generic areas that can help > Software Internationalisation otherwise certain programmers would not get > baffled for example at particular opensource code applications when they are > asked to remove all k/K letters and replace them with unicode 0915 glyph > shape. There should be some catch-all process / principle at header and > footer of a code for example BBCode / HTML has this and this principle > perhaps should be considered to ease the burden. I am not a coder / > programmer thus I am not sure whether this way is possible. > > > "......It can *only* mean granting of favors, such as employment or > political status, to personal relatives regardless of their qualifications. > You can say "corporate nepotism" if you like and English speakers will > automatically interpret this as "someone in a corporation was made > vice-president because he was someone else's brother, not because he > deserved it." Nobody will interpret this as "collusion between > corporations" or "unfair bias." You need to pick another word that really > means what you want it to mean. Nobody can stop you from misusing this word > if you insist, but they are within their rights to laugh and ignore you." > > I saw the Wikipedia "nepotism" meaning and it includes "friends" not only > "relatives." Thus "nepotism" is a problem at organisational and corporate > networks. This includes Unicode.org and IETF.org. Leadership and > management are required to prevent this. > > > "When the day comes when you convince a SIGNIFICANT number of Latin-script > users, worldwide, that the letter K represents suicide and needs to be > changed, THEN it is time to approach the standards organizations > *respectfully* and ask them to make changes that reflect a change that a > SIGNIFICANT number of people have already adopted. It needs to be something > people see in newspapers and on street signs and on television. Until then, > this effort will not be seen constructively." > > I repeat.....The latin / roman k/K letter needs to be replaced to another > shape for reasons you know. You have to understand that issue is beyond > organisational management because it is related to human life. Approaching > Unicode.org and IETF.org was essential because they claim to have various > controls over internet / computer transmitted language. Some helpful > interim things should be put in place, leadership and management is much > needed. Unicode.org website home page communicates the wrong impression and > they should correct that. > > > John, Thanks for your response. > > Unicode.org don't want to listen anymore when it relates to their website > home page because they blocked my message to the mailing list that was > critical about this. Unicode.org should say categorically they are not > responsible for framework. However they are communicating the wrong > impression to the internet / computer community. > > > > > Regards > > > Meeku > http://twitter.com/nepotism > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium ---------------------------------------------------------------- The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084
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