Can spam has rather a lot of clauses, they are designed to criminalize certain 
patterns of behaviour that are exclusively associated with abusive senders.

In particular there are tripwire offenses such as harvesting email addresses.


Given the circumstances I think it would be entirely reasonable to for each of 
us to charge Mr Anderson $50 to read each message sent through his list. 
Following the practice of lawyers and billing in a minimum 12 minute interval 
and applying a standard commercial consulting rate of $2000/day and rounding 
down. This is a considerable discount to my VeriSign consulting rate.

I am not sure that we could charge for responses unless solicited by Mr 
Anderson himself.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] on behalf of Dean Anderson
Sent: Mon 3/23/2009 6:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'; Steven M. 
Bellovin
Subject: Re: [Ietf-honest] Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
 
Of course, this is nonsense because CAN-SPAM applies to commercial email
(advertising), and nothing on IETF-honest is commercial email.

This frivolous claim is a discredit the people making them. One cannot
claim to be knowledgeable about commercial email and/or spam and make
this sort of obvious mistake.

                --Dean

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Dave CROCKER wrote:

> 
> 
> Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> > It's happened to me twice, with two different lists of his.  I've
> > complained to him, but to no avail.  I wonder if the CAN SPAM act
> > applies.
> 
> 
> IANAL but my impression is that it definitely does apply, possibly multiply 
> and 
> possibly even with sanctions.  As noted, this is a relatively tricky topic, 
> but 
> I am still pretty sure he goes far beyond the limits it defines.
> 
> Might be interesting to explore legal actions, on the theory that his 
> activities 
> have continuing negative impact on IETF work.
> 
> d/
> 
> 

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