I suggest that all mail that is cross posted to Mr Andreson IETF-Honest or 
whatever other spam list Mr Spammer decides to create be blocked from all IETF 
lists.
 
That way any IETF-er who feeds the troll will not anoy the rest. And any 
IETF-er who blacklists Mr Spammer and his spam lists will have an Anderson-free 
experience.
 
Since Mr Spammer's objective here is to cause the spillover into the IETF list, 
it is my expectation that he will cease this particular tactic.
 
 
 

________________________________

From: [email protected] on behalf of Von Wootten, Karl
Sent: Tue 3/24/2009 7:29 PM
To: 'Ole Jacobsen'; Dean Anderson
Cc: [email protected]; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"



Dean,
I feel that this issue has gone on Long enough It seems to me that by not 
allowing people to opt out and by unsolicited subscriptions you are only 
damaging your own reputation. I read what is posted to the lists I subscribe to 
so that I can do my job better. Not to waste time with these silly flame wars. 
Can we please put an end to this?

Karl von Wootten
System Engineer Infrastructure Services
NSW Department of Education and Training
Ph: 02 84254515
Mob: 0406 996 300
Fax: 02 9942 9638


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ole 
Jacobsen
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2009 9:41 AM
To: Dean Anderson
Cc: [email protected]; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'
Subject: Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

Dean,

The web interface is broken. I don't have the initial password and it
won't send me a new one.

Please cease and desist this nonsense and unsubscribe me promptly, I
never asked to be on your list, nor did anyone else that you added.

You're a spammer, plain and simple.

Ole

Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
E-mail: [email protected]  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj


On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Dean Anderson wrote:

> The password was sent in the subscription mail.  The mailing list
> manager is GNU mailman, which is the same software many of the IETF
> lists uses, including [email protected]. List management is the same, and
> the welcome message includes the password. In addition, mailman provides
> a web interface, which can be found at:
>
> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.iadl.org/mailman/options/ietf-honest>,
>         <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://lists.iadl.org/pipermail/ietf-honest>
> List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]>
> List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=help>
> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.iadl.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-honest>,
>         <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe>
>
> RFC2369 headers are included in each list message.
>
> Logs show that Ole Jacobsen was added on February 28, 2009, after a post
> to the IETF list.
>
>               --Dean
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> > I think he added the ietf list as a whole. When I tried to
> > unsubscribe it said I needed a password which it never sent,
> > so I assume I am not "on" his list the strict sense.
> >
> > Ole
> >
> > Ole J. Jacobsen
> > Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
> > Cisco Systems
> > Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> > E-mail: [email protected]  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Fred Baker wrote:
> >
> > > well, question. Did he actually do that, or did he make a mailing list 
> > > that
> > > has one member - the IETF list - to which he can add other members as he
> > > chooses?
> > >
> > > You may recall that at some point in the past we had the opposite. 
> > > Someone set
> > > up a mailing list that was subscribed to [email protected] and filtered some 
> > > of
> > > our more interesting personalities. Folks that subscribed to it go a feed
> > > without the comments of (or replies to) those individuals. Many moved 
> > > their
> > > subscriptions.
> > >
> > > Are you asking the Trust, or the IETF leadership, to send a cease and 
> > > desist
> > > letter?
> > >
> > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> > >
> > > >I was auto-subscribed to Dean's "ietf-honest" mailing
> > > >list, and I'm unhappy about it.  I don't know what his
> > > >current status is with regard to the [email protected]
> > > >mailing list but I think he's pretty clearly abusing
> > > >this mailing list by snagging names from it and
> > > >putting us on his mailing list without asking.  I'm also
> > > >not thrilled that the "welcome" message he sends out
> > > >fails to clearly identify who's sending it and that
> > > >he does not represent the IETF.  This is a small problem
> > > >but a problem nonetheless.
> > > >
> > > >Melinda
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >Ietf mailing list
> > > >[email protected]
> > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > [email protected]
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
> > >
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