On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 02:34:03PM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > our Asian colleagues, that means flying to a major US or Canadian airport > like EWR, ORD, or YYQ, and taking another flight to YQB.
[other air routings elided] Also, note, the passenger rail service to Québec from either Montréal or Toronto is not frequent; not real fast; not convenient; and not especially cheap, given that Canada partly came into existence as an excuse to run rails across the continent. So your alternative options for travel are somewhat limited [1]. The above diversion aside, I think there are really two topics being discussed, not always separately, in this thread, and I think the one I (at least) think is more important is not getting exposed as well as it might. 1. The IAOC sometimes picks places that are $wrong_somehow. I find this issue hard to get worked up about, and I find I have little sympathy with arguments talking about how inconvenient travel to $location is. I'm aware I don't have the onerous travel obligations some do, and perhaps there is a real problem I don't understand. Nevertheless, if we're going to have single large physical meetings of international contributors, some people are always going to have to be inconvenienced. It's good for the community, I think, if sometimes those of us from North America (and large North American cities, at that) are the inconvenienced ones. 2. It is hard to understand what the IAOC is doing, and what factors weigh in their decisions. This is partly because the IAOC minutes aren't published as quickly as perhaps some would like; and, when they are, they do not contain as much detail as some might like, either. (This basic issue is doing a lot of the important work in John Klensin's arguments, for instance, and though he's stated this fairly clearly, I don't have the impression it's getting as much attention as it ought.) To the extent we think this issue is a real one, it seems to me that it's important to get this one fixed. If I am right about these two different topics, then (if we are to continue this thread) I'd prefer to hear clearly stated arguments -- and suggestions for improvements -- about (2). If (2) is true, then (1) is just a symptom, and not a compelling one for some of us. Best regards, Andrew [1] That said, if you can put up with the hassles of getting to the train from wherever you land, and the fair chance that your train will not have functioning climate control or will fail to run on time (or both), some of the route is pretty and worth looking at from a train. Also, Via Rail's seats are quite comfortable and, in my experience, the staff are loads more cheerful than the surly lot that seems to have taken over Air Canada in recent years. Since this is not yet officially the grouse-about-lousy-travel-options list, however, I'll stop with my reviews now. -- Andrew Sullivan [email protected] Shinkuro, Inc. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
