Actually, I wish we had done something in this area sooner in the hope of creating a forcing function to make the authentication mechanisms in WiFi more appropriate.
It has taken ten years for WiFi to get to a state where an adequate credential mechanism is supported, and it is still clunky. And they still don't have a decent mechanism to support the typical coffee shop type access mode. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Fred Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > While it is new in IETF meetings, it is far from unusual in WiFi networks to > find some form of authentication. This happens at coffee shops, college > campuses, corporate campuses, and people's apartments. I think I would need > some more data before I concluded this was unreasonable. > > On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:08 AM, SM wrote: > >> Hello, >> At 14:55 30-06-10, IETF Chair wrote: >>> I am writing to let you know about a change in the IETF meeting network. >>> At IETF 79 in Beijing, the IETF network will be connected to the open >>> Internet with absolutely no filtering. However, we have agreed with our >>> hosts that only IETF meeting participants will have access to the >>> network. Following sound engineering practices, we will deploy >>> admission control mechanisms as part of the IETF 78 meeting network in >>> Maastricht to ensure that they are working properly before they are >>> mission critical. >> >> Most IETF participants probably know that the consensus of the IETF is >> documented through BCPs and other Standards Track RFCs. If the text in the >> RFC isn't clear, there is room for disagreement. If it is ill-defined, >> someone will go and find the loophole. If the above text was in a BCP, we >> could nit on the definition of IETF meeting participants. It is clear to >> people unfamiliar with the IETF that IETF meeting participants means people >> who have registered for the IETF meeting. >> >> I have been told that an IETF meeting does not have security guards at the >> door to verify who has a badge to determine whether the person is registered >> for the meeting. If someone walks into an IETF meeting, the person can >> enjoy the cookie for free and even provide a contribution at the mic. The >> person enjoys the same privileges as people who have paid for meeting >> attendance fee. >> >> I'll take the opportunity to thank Karen O'Donoghue for keeping the IAOC >> minutes up to date. The IAB could do with some help in that area. >> >> Some of you may recall that the Beijing venue contract was discussed on this >> mailing list last year. It resulted in some resolutions as follows: >> >> "Whereas the Host has assured the IAOC that 'a normal IETF >> meeting can be legally held in China and that no pre-screening >> of material or monitoring of session content is required or will >> be done,' >> >> Whereas the IAOC, based on the assurances of the Host and a >> history of the venue successfully hosting major international >> conferences that relate to our industry, believes a normal IETF >> meeting can be held at the venue, >> >> Whereas the IAOC heard all arguments made on the list, and >> made its determination on the ability to hold a successful >> meeting i.e. run it in a fashion as we always have, using the >> tools that we always have, with a critical mass of the >> traditional participants, discussing the usual topics." >> >> The fashion in the IETF is to have an open network. There isn't any >> admission control and credentials are not required to enjoy the benefit of >> free and full Internet access. The IETF may run out of cookies; it never >> runs out of bandwidth. >> >>> I am writing to let you know what to expect in both Maastricht and Beijing. >> >> And it is expected that the comments on this thread will follow sound IETF >> practices when it comes to mailing list discussions. :-) >> >> Regards, >> -sm >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Website: http://hallambaker.com/ _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
