On Jul 8, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:

> On Jul 8, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
>> Walking into an ITU meeting, I have to show a passport and have a permanent 
>> photographic record taken. If I want to participate in RIPE's general 
>> meeting, I have to register, and I can expect to find myself in RIPE's 
>> attendee list. That is true in a wide variety of places.
> 
> I think there's actually a slightly different question in there. Those are 
> not open organizations. The IETF is.

Boy, would they dispute that. ITU has claimed that the IETF is not an open 
organization because a government cannot join it. Most membership 
organizations, RIPE, being an example, have a definition of how someone can 
become a member (members of RIPE are companies and pay a fee), and are 
considered open to that class of membership.

> I think that there might be a question about what "open participation" means 
> and whether or not there's an expectation that participants will identify 
> themselves, and if so, what the expectations are around the identity being 
> presented.  

That is of course true. I think my comment stands. If the IETF is not the only 
organization in the world in which otherwise rational people expect to pay 
money for privileges, make material contributions that might change the world, 
and might have companies off suing each other over IPR, and none-the-less 
expect to remain absolutely anonymous, it is one of a very small number.
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