On 7/12/2010 1:19 PM, Chris Elliott wrote: > On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Ted Hardie <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Chris Elliott <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> I will suggest that in Beijing we may need to physically >>> authenticate people >>> coming into the terminal room, but I will leave the decision on >>> whether and >>> how to do that up to the host in Beijing. >>> >>> Chris. >> >> What does "physically authenticate people" mean here? Show that they >> have a badge (common and meets the stated requirement of "keep the >> IETF network for IETF attendees")? Or write down the name? Or write >> down the name and the network port for the cable they pick up? >> >> The differences here are not subtle, and I don't think this question >> really >> does belong with the hosts in Beijing. They can present requirements >> to the IETF, but it is up to us to decide how to meet them. If their >> choice >> in meeting the requirement "keep the IETF network for IETF attendees" >> turns into "Track the network usage on a per attendee basis", the >> attendees >> really need to know whether that is because that was the real requirement >> all along or because the IETF management failed to provide a realistic >> alternative that met the stated goal. > > Our requirement in Beijing is to meet the government restriction that > only attendees of the meeting can access the Internet through our > external link. > > There are no requirements for, and we will certainly not be doing, any > monitoring of users. Period.
You wont have to - the Chinese Government and several others will monitor that for you. You dont believe me - ask the Bureau of State Security... > > I do not know the layout of the Beijing IETF meeting space. Therefore, > I do not know the best approach to securing wired connections in the > terminal room and elsewhere. I am suggesting, to be more explicit, > that a guard at the door of the terminal room checking that everyone > simply has an IETF badge, as we have done in many previous meetings, > may be sufficient for Beijing as well, and the easiest solution for all. Yeah I bet. Todd > And we are working hand-in-hand with the Beijing folks first in > Maastricht and then Beijing to refine the requirements and the > implementation. Four or five of the folks that will be the core of the > NOC team in Beijing are members of the NOC team in Maastricht and will > be working with us throughout the meeting. Some of them will be > staffing the help desk alongside the RIPE folks, so come by and > introduce yourselves. > > Our roles will reverse in Beijing as they will be responsible for the > network and we will be there to help. > > We are well aware of the concerns of IETF attendees around privacy. We > share these concerns. > > Chris. > >> best regards, >> >> Ted Hardie > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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