On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Joel M. Halpern <[email protected]>wrote:
> ... > 1) If there is no I-D and no mailing list, then no, you can not have a room > suitable for 50+ people. > ... > +10**10 If there is no ID and no mailing list at least several weeks in advance, you should either have a real bar BoF with a handful of appropriate people, or you can seek opportunities to present at appropriate WG or Area meetings. > Yours, > Joel Thanks, Donald > Yoav Nir wrote: > >> On Aug 1, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: >> >> Yoav Nir wrote: >>> >>>> Who's "folks"? A lot of people come to an IETF meeting, and are only >>>> following one or two of the working groups. That does not mean >>>> that they sit in their hotel rooms for the rest of the meeting. >>>> Instead, they pick what looks like interesting meetings, and go >>>> there, with the hope of catching something interesting. >>>> >>> That's a really good point, actually. I've also made a >>> point in the past of attending at least one session >>> completely unrelated to what I'm working on, in hopes of >>> learning something or getting new ideas or new associations >>> or something. But still, it seems to me that there are >>> two somewhat but not quite orthogonal questions here: 1) >>> whether or not the increasing formalization of the bar >>> BOF reflects an increased expectation of attendance in >>> order to participate/advance work in the IETF, and 2) what >>> a working group meeting is. >>> >> >> I'll pass on answering #2, but as for #1, I think the bar BoF >> "institution" is mis-used as a working group of last resort. If I can't >> present my idea at a regular working group (because of time constraints or >> because it doesn't fit the charter of any current WG), and I can't present >> it at the area gathering (for lack of space), adding a "bar BoF" to the wiki >> seems to be the only way. In the end we don't get a lot of discussion - >> merely a presentation + Q&A session. And still the "right" people are often >> not there. >> >> So formalizing a bunch of presentations is a good thing, although I think >> it needs to be done differently. >> Formalizing a bunch of people throwing ideas around (the "true" bar BoF) >> is not a good thing. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> >> _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >
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