On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >> At the risk of turning this into a string of competing anectdotes > > > It turned into that long ago. In terms of the tone in these discussions, > folk continue to believe that their personal experiences are relevant for > deciding logistics policy in choosing IETF meetings. > > Unfortunately, such folk constitute a remarkably skewed sample of what is > typically touted as the target population of IETF attendees. > > The premise to these anecdotes appears to be that IETF meetings are designed > for people who have: > > * hefty corporate travel funding -- so money is largely no object
As someone who frequently pays for IETF travel out of my own pocket, I can assure you that this is not true for me. Ditto for meeting and travel time sinks. However, "90% of life consists of simply showing up," and that is especially true for the IETF; to participate, you have to show up, and that requires travel. Regards Marshall > * extensive travel experience -- therefore accepting requirements > to handle complex travel details > * frequent travel schedules -- so extraneous, 1/2-day incremental > time and cost doesn't mean much > * a full week at the meeting -- so remote locations have minor > impact > * a desire to use meetings for tourism -- which is more important than venue > convenience or reliability > * complete lack of empathy for anyone not fitting into this category > > "Lack of empathy" is typically being demonstrated by overt hostility, but > certainly dismissive handwaves. The concerns of others simply do not matter > and are to be classed as petty, naive, or the like. > > It's difficult to imagine a more elitist demographic, particular for a > community that has been predicated on diversity and inclusiveness. > > At the least, the IETF should be honest and re-cast its community culture as > being tailored for well-funded professional meeting goers... > > d/ > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
