I think San  Diego was worse than Dublin in that respect.  At least in 
Dublin there were free busses to the city center.

Janet

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[email protected] wrote on 09/14/2010 12:02:28 PM:

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> 
> Re: All these discussions about meeting venues
> 
> Ole Jacobsen 
> 
> to:
> 
> dcrocker
> 
> 09/14/2010 12:08 PM
> 
> Sent by:
> 
> [email protected]
> 
> Cc:
> 
> George Michaelson, IETF Discussion
> 
> Please respond to Ole Jacobsen
> 
> 
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:
> 
> > Maastricht suffered an impressive variety of problems.  Worse, some of 
those
> > problems have become a recurring pattern.  As examples, we have had a
> > significant number of venues in recent years that were distant from 
major
> > transportation hubs and/or were distant from "local" resources such as 
the
> > usual array of hotels, restaurants, markets and the like.
> 
> Rewinding eleven:
> 
> Hiroshima
> Stockholm
> San Francisco
> Minneapolis
> Dublin
> Philadelphia
> Vancouver
> Chicago
> Prague
> San Diego
> Montreal
> 
> Of these I can name only Dublin as falling into the category which you 
> class as a pattern. I am not saying Maastricht or Dublin did not have
> problems, I am saying the claim that there is a significant pattern 
> here is over-stating it.
> 
> Please keep in mind that we have several "non-negotiable" requirements 
> for venue selection. The first is actually availability of venue on 
> our dates since our dates are FIXED. Proposals for changing the 
> meeting model won't necessarily change that reality.
> 
> Ole
> 
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