On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Fernando Gont wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Keith Moore <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
>>> When applications that e.g. include point of attachment addresses in the
>>> app protocol break in the presence of NATs, one should probably ask
>>> whether the NAT is breaking the app, or whether the NAT is making it
>>> clear that the app was actually already broken.
>> 
>> It's perfectly reasonable for applications to include IP addresses and port 
>> numbers in their payloads,
>> as this is the only way that the Internet Architecture defines to allow 
>> applications to make contact
>> with particular processes at particular hosts.  Some might see this as a 
>> deficiency in the Internet
>> Architecture, but that's the best that we have to work with for now.
> 
> If anything, the fact that "this is is the only way that the Internet
> Architecture defines..." doesn't make it reasonable.

So basically you're arguing to impair the ability of applications to function, 
just so that network operators can futz around with addresses. 

Keith

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