On 2/28/11 11:27 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
On Feb 7, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
At every step of this process, the IETF, RAI, and SIP community has
opportunity for involvement. The volume of discussion demonstrates a
non-trivial interest in this mechanism.
Hmm ... I 100% agree there has been opportunity for involvement. I am
talking about the actually involvement since the previous LC over a
year ago.
I would imagine that actual working group involvement on any draft after
IETF last call generally approaches zero. I believe this document is
rather average in that regard.
In that year, there looks to be mostly silence about any of the issues
or changes to the draft. I did not go do a good search but when I
searched for the draft name, I'm not seeing much discussion. If you
tell me 10 people were actively engaged in the last year and support
these changes, I'm happy to agree I am in the rough in the consensus
and ignore the whole thing. But if you are telling me that no one
objected, then I do not believe silence is the same as consensus.
I'm not trying to tell you that silence is consensus. In this case,
silence simply indicates that the working group thinks it is finished,
and hasn't elected to spend additional work on a completed item.
It's my experience that working groups do not generally work on
documents after they have been passed off to the IESG for publication.
This document has been in front of the IESG for the past year that you
reference. The only mailing list traffic that the working group could
have generated after publication was requested would have been cheering
from the sidelines, which isn't part of the publication process as I
understand it.
So, while your request for 10 people who have expressed interest on the
list list after IETF last call makes no sense, I *can* offer you the
following list of 35 people who participated in mailing list discussions
while the draft was still in a working group:
Adam Roach <[email protected]>
Anders Kristensen <[email protected]>
Ashish Hsaxena <[email protected]>
Attila Sipos <[email protected]>
Avasarala Ranjit <[email protected]>
Bob Penfield <[email protected]>
Brett Tate <[email protected]>
Christer Holmberg <[email protected]>
Cullen Jennings <[email protected]>
Dale Worley <[email protected]>
Dean Willis <[email protected]>
Eric Rescorla <[email protected]>
Eric Wang <[email protected]>
Francois Audet <[email protected]>
Hadriel Kaplan <[email protected]>
Hans Erik van Elburg <[email protected]>
Ian Elz <[email protected]>
Jeroen van Bemmel <[email protected]>
John Elwell <[email protected]>
Juha Heinanen <[email protected]>
Keith Drage <[email protected]>
Martin Dolly <[email protected]>
Paul Kyzivat <[email protected]>
Robert Sparks <[email protected]>
Rockson Li <[email protected]>
Sanjay Sinha <[email protected]>
Serhad Doken <[email protected]>
Spencer Dawkins <[email protected]>
Sreeram Kanumuri <[email protected]>
Sreerekha Shenoy <[email protected]>
Timothy M Dwight <[email protected]>
Tom Taylor <[email protected]>
Vijay K. Gurbani <[email protected]>
Vikram Chhibber <[email protected]>
Ya Ching Tan <[email protected]>
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