see RFC 3979 section 4 A - a note like Mike asks for is called for

but the other Scott is also right - do not be specific - see section 11 of the 
same RFC

Scott

On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:

> At 11:42 AM 6/22/2011, Scott Brim wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:11, Michael StJohns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> A quick couple of questions to the list based on a document I saw recently.
>>> 
>>> If a document (an ID in this case) contains encumbered material (in this 
>>> case consists of 90%+ encumbered material), and the document is authored by 
>>> the organization (or members of the organization) that holds the 
>>> encumbrance, should the document contain an IPR disclosure itself or is it 
>>> sufficient to submit a IPR disclosure through the IETF web interface?
>> 
>> IPR statements are never put in RFCs unless on occasion they are
>> informational transplants from outside.  The IPR claims or other
>> aspects might change over time and the right place to track all that
>> is in the IPR disclosures.
> 
> Hmm.. even though this was labeled like a normal run of the mill ID, it 
> really was an informational transfer from the outside - at least at this 
> point in the process.  I.e. - single corporate author, long held IPR as 
> opposed to "here's something brand new and never seen before and while parts 
> of it may derive from work from company A, this use of it is new and people 
> from company B and C are figuring out new ways to work with it."
> 
> I think tracking disclosures via the IPR system is reasonable for most 
> documents, but something like "This document consists primarily of 
> intellectual property claimed to owned by xxxx.  Please consult the IETF 
> disclosures section for the current terms and conditions for this IPR." may 
> be useful.    It's pretty hard to tell from any given document whether or not 
> consulting the IPR disclosures is useful or somewhat necessary.
> 
> Not a big problem, I guess, but somewhat dissonant to the process.
> 
> Mike
> 
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