On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Keith,
> 
> On 2011-06-24 23:47, Keith Moore wrote:
> ...
>> 1. Working groups often have strong biases and aren't representative of the 
>> whole community.  Put another way, a working group often represents only one 
>> side of a tussle, and working groups are often deliberately chartered in 
>> such a way as to minimize the potential for conflict within the group.   So 
>> when evaluating standards actions for the whole community, the consensus 
>> within a working group means little.   In this particular case, v6ops 
>> heavily represents the interests of operators (who are naturally interested 
>> in having IPv6 run smoothly in the long term) and works against the 
>> interests of applications developers (who are naturally interested in having 
>> transition mechanisms that allow them to ship code that uses IPv6 and an 
>> IPv6 programming model regardless of whether the underlying network supports 
>> it).
> 
> I suspect that operators are *severely* under-represented on this
> list ([email protected]) because it is very noisy and operators have other
> priorities. Most of them are probably unaware of this discussion,
> in fact.

You're probably right about the representation of operators on the ietf list.  
But our process requires that we get consensus here in addition to in the 
working group.

Keith

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