On Oct 23, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Michael StJohns <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wait just one minute.....
> 
> 
> Marshal has neither resigned nor died (both of which would vacate the 
> position).  

I don't see anything in BCP 10 that says those are the only to ways to vacate a 
position. Those two are obvious possibilities, but "went away and actively 
refused to respond to queries" seems like a reasonable one as well.

> He apparently *has* abrogated his responsibilities.
> 
> I'm not sure why the IAOC thinks that the recall procedure shouldn't be 
> followed.

Isn't it obvious? Given a choice of the two procedures, and given that Nomcom 
is already choosing an IAOC member, declaring the seat vacant is way easier.

> Get a petition signed.  Run a 1 week call for volunteers. Do the  recall 
> committee selection prior to the IETF, present your case to the recall 
> committee at the IETF and stand back and let them do the work.
> 
> I appreciate the pain of having a member go AWOL, but I see no basis for 
> declaring the position vacant based on current practice.

Ummmm, what current practice are you referring to? Has something like this 
happened in the past decade or two?

> I would consider that your email constitutes evidence that the IAOC has asked 
> for a recall petition to be circulated.  I would consider that the list of 
> grievances you've posted constitutes sufficient grounds for the petition.  

That's an interesting reading, given that what the email says is "we consider 
the seat vacant".

> I would estimate that you have sufficient support for the petition to be 
> confirmed, but I don't see anything so critical that would suggest that the 
> recall process need not be followed.
> 
> I'm willing to sign on to the petition.  I'm willing to volunteer for the 
> recall committee.

I'm willing to let the IAOC define the seat vacant, because it clearly is, and 
there is no specific definition of "vacant" that disagrees with the logical 
conclusion.

--Paul Hoffman

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