Possibly attendance at the "newcomers" meeting would be something that
you could do just once but could be deferred to a later meeting you
attend if you miss on the first one for any reasons.

Thanks,
Donald
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On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Pat Thaler <ptha...@broadcom.com> wrote:
> At my first meeting, I wasn't able to arrive on Sunday. At that point, I was 
> mainly following work in one working group that was meeting mid-week. At 
> later meetings, I wasn't a newcomer any more so I never attended a Newcomer 
> meet and greet. That is probably pretty common.
>
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of 
> Spencer Dawkins
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:37 AM
> To: adr...@olddog.co.uk
> Cc: John C Klensin; IETF-Discussion list; The IESG
> Subject: Re: Mentoring
>
> On 3/14/2013 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> I need to check but...
>>
>>> [MB]  What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I
>>> certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet.  I have to
>>> wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the overlap between Sunday
>>> tutorials and this event.  I think that needs to be fixed.
>>
>> Very right that it would need to be fixed, but I thought that it was avoided 
>> explicitly and
>> deliberately. Anyone got a copy of the agenda in front of them?
>
> The second slot for tutorials is listed as 1500-1650. The newcomer's gig
> is listed as 1600-1700. So, conflicting.
>
>> Maybe we could do a little research on why newcomers don't show at this 
>> meeting. Are they tired?
>> Shy? Unaware? Not perceiving the value?
>
> I've been supported by an IETF sponsor who has sent a heck of a lot of
> new attendees to the IETF since 2005. One point that's come up
> repeatedly is that people show up on Sunday afternoon and evening
> because the "real IETF meeting" starts Monday morning.
>
> Some of the newcomers are likely still at the airport during the
> newcomer's meet and greet.
>
> Spencer
>

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