On 13/04/2013 17:15, John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Friday, April 12, 2013 23:37 -0400 Andrew Sullivan > <a...@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote: > >> The only lesson I really learned from that experience is that >> it is incredibly hard for women[1] to be treated as adult >> colleagues in an environment that acts overwhelmingly as a >> white male club. > > JJ Thompson, Grace Anscomb, etc., notwithstanding. Similarly, > Grace Hopper, Jean Sammet, Jane Thompson, Martha Steenstrup, > Deborah Estrin, Sally Floyd, etc. > > That doesn't change your point other than to identify a > different fallacy in the "girl-philosophy" hypothesis and its > computer science / networking analogies. If you haven't heard > of some of the above, it demonstrations a slightly different > point. It may also suggest that there is an area in which the > IETF is absolutely non-discriminatory: there is no evidence > that the IETF has been any more effective in driving, e.g., > Martha or Deborah out than with Crowcroft, Elz, Clark, Chapin,
And I'm not sure about the driving "out" rather than driving *on* to bigger and better things. Also, speaking from personal observation over the last 12 months in Cambridge (the original one), at least one of those you mentioned is leading a very lively research group including several active IETF contributors. Brian
