On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
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>
> Ira Abramov wrote:
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> >Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Sun, 17 Nov:
> >
> >
> >>>That is actually a good thing for servers. It means that security
> >>>upgrades are much less likely to break something, which in turn means
> >>>that you are much more confident applying them. The only problem I am
> >>>aware of is false positives when doing vulnerability scans of the machine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I don't think it is a good thing, because these patches are hard to
> >>maintain separately, and often the maintainer of the package cannot
> >>maintain all previous versions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Shlomi, with all due respect, your system administration experiance is
> >not as rich and long as Shachar's and mine. we both see the way that
> >Debian does this as thepreferable one, and respect very much their
> >brave decision to do the hard thing (backport fixes) rather than taking
> >risks with new versions.
> >
> Personally, I don't like to say stuff like "I am older/more
> experienced/have a bigger dick than you do,so you should listen to me".
> If I cannot back my experience with self maintaining reasons, than what
> good is it?
>
> >I personally can't go bac, and Shachar's recent brush with
> >MDK sent him looking for Debian again :)
> >
> While factually true, I would like to point out that it was a brush with
> MDK 9.0, and some of the reasons for going back were bugs. It's just
> that if I need to work really hard to find what bug in the locale
> generation code prevents me from getting Hebrew characters in Wine, and
> therefor stops me from doing open source development, I rather switch
> back to something I know. I also had serious bugs with the supermounts,
> which caused me to unmount and then manually mount whenever I wanted to
> run something off a CD.
>
Right now, my CDs don't use supermount. Since the code is a patch to the
main kernel it is known to be problematic. Mandrake likes it, but I
eventually had to cancel it. You can cancel it by editing /etc/fstab.
> What I am trying to say is that I didn't switch back in a hurry because
> of something fundemental, but because of x.0 release bugs.
>
I'm using Mandrake 9.0 on two servers now. I did not test the locale
setting (I use a purely English locale, and like it that way.) It had some
"cute" bugs but now is quite nice and functional.
> My experience with the software update tool, however, has been REALLY
> bad. It took it over an hour(!!!!!) to add a new source to the list
> (modifying a text file+ apt-get update on debian - 2 minutes top), and I
> had little to no control over what was updated.
>
Hmmm. I am used to it, and it does not take me too long. And I think you
can add a source by modifying the appropriate text file - if you know what
you are doing.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
> Shachar
>
>
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