A Theory commonly based on asumption of "normal setting & non-drastic change".
Dlm kasus elo tidak ada yg kebalik...theory itu tetap benar bila didasarkan pada asumsi bakunya. Namun karena ada asumsi yg ndak bisa terpenuhi makanya..theory itu tidak bekerja dgn sesuainya. Kuncinya: 1) kecepatan aksi larutan pekat > kecepatan reaksi pengeluaran lendir baru....alias drastis berubah. 2) rentang toleransi perubahan pH pada tiap-tiap ikan berbeda-beda....akibatnya ada botia yg langsung soak iemudian mati. Makanya kan dibilang orang kalo naik-turunin pH itu jgn drastis.... Resikonya hebat buat ikan** dgn rentang toleransi pH-nya sempit. Mereka jadi gampang soak & mati. **************************** Lain kali larutan pencuci cukup PK saja... Setelah ikannya masuk aquarium baru tambahkan garam ikan sedikit di air aqua-nya. **************************** Begitu boss.... Oni -----Original Message----- From: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Lendir mas koki Yup ... Tapi On, teory pH <7-nya pak Bambang kan mengurangi lender ... Larutan pencuci gue itu PK dan garam laut (yang diperkirakan akan menambah pH air > 7) ... Lha kok kebalik ...itu lho maksudnya.... @gung (Hobby) Ikan Hias ? Kagak ada matinyeeeee ....... -----Original Message----- From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 Desember 2004 8:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ikan_hias] Lendir mas koki Kesimpulannya: Larutan baru yg dipakai terlalu pekat..... Sehingga kecepatan lendir body ikan yg terurai habis/bereaksi tidak sebanding dgn lendir baru yg dihasilkan.... Akibatnya lendir berkurang drastis, ikan jadi kesat...gampang disikat ikan lain...gampang sakit..gampang mati... Boss,...lain kali jangan yg terlalu drastis.....perubahan PH larutannya. Yg sedang-sedang atau yg rendah dulu.... Ibaratnya elo abis makan es campur....begitu selesai dlm 3 detik langsung sambung dgn makan bakso panas.... Bayangkan penderitaan gigi & kerongkongan elo....deh... Dijamin besok elo pasti panas dalam & gigi elo ngilu abis.... Coba deh...dijamin.... hehehehehehehehe Oni -----Original Message----- From: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Lendir mas koki Pengalaman aja ... Saya campur botia M dengan frontosa .. Waktu ganti air (di musim hujan ini, dgn air tanah) bararti pH akan drop di bawah 8,5 (aqua saya selalu dikondisikan diatas 8). Nha untuk menghindari dropnya terlalu lama, saya tambahkan garam (agak banyak) baking soda & garam Epsom. Hasilnya ? botia M (hanya yang M, botia india aman aja) pada teler dengan badan kesat dan frontosa aman-aman aja. Hasil akhir botianya mati 2 ekor hari itu, dan besoknya 2 ekor lagi. :( Satu lagi, seprti biasa kalo baru beli koki di mentas dsktrnya, ikan akan saya cuci dgn PK ... sekali waktu saya coba "larutan pencuci"nya dengan garam (agak pekat) hanya untuk coba-coba membuktikan ikan tawar akan sembuh dengan air asin ....hasilnya ? gak sampai 10detik tuch koki langsung kesat tanpa lendir ...tapi sukurlah akhirnya bisa selamat dan sehat selalu .. Jadi kesimpulannya ? ya simpulkan sendiri hehehhhhehhe Ato Oni dan pak Bambang bisa menjelaskan fenomena ini ? Terima kasih @gung (Hobby) Ikan Hias ? Kagak ada matinyeeeee ....... -----Original Message----- From: bambang_kristanto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 Desember 2004 17:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Lendir mas koki Boss Oni, Saya koreksi sedikit ya: pH air kalau di bawah 7(<7)lendir akan berkurang, karena air bersifat asam. pH air kalau di atas 7 (>7)lendir akan bertambah, karena air bersifat basa. asumsi pH 7 adalah pH normal. Referensinya dari buku Maskoki karangan Pinus Lingga dan Agus Budhiman. Makanya kalau abis hujan jangan sedia pH down, bisa matek ikannya. Mendingan sedia pH up. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "boy.lesmana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok... Jadi gara gara Phnya naik...nah daun ketapang bisa buat nurunin PH > kan??? > > Air yang di pakai bukan air PAM..tapi air tanah. > > Best regards > > Boy indra > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ikan_hias] Lendir mas koki > Importance: High > > > > Lendir ikan itu semestinya bersifat asam...sama seperti lendir manusia > dari rongga mulut...ph pasti dibawah 6,5 (sebelum kumur-2 dgn listerine > / sikat gigi dgn pepsodent) > > > > Lendir itu dikeluarkan dgn 3 maksud...sekresi metabolisme tubuh ikan > sendiri...+ memudahkan gerak ikan dlm air + perlindungan awal terhadap > tangkapan manusia/predator & juga kuman.... > > > > PH Air PAM /WTP cenderung diatas 6,5-7.....apalagi kalo nyata- nyata pake > kaporit dlm prosesnya... > > > > Hubungannya: > > PH >6,5-7 = Lendir ikan berkurang = ikan gampang sakit - gampang > ditangkap predator / digigit kutu = gampang mati > > PH >6,5-7 akan sering terjadi kalo sumber air yg akan diolah kotor & > butek = pemakaian kaporit akan semakin banyak utk menjernihkan > air....(kondisi musim hujan habis banjir) > > > > Jadi kalo masih sempat mending beli peat moss (ph down) utk jaga- jaga. > > Oni Yahoo! 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