To Raja (and others)
A few of things:
1. You are absolutely right that this is indeed
OFF-TOPIC as far as this list is concerned. W.R.T to
our list policies, occasional OT postings are OK so
long as the {OT} prefix is added to the subject line.
2. I had noted the OFF-TOPICness of the topic in the
very first post to this thread, but keeping in mind
the extraordinary circumstances, I had preferred to
say nothing and simply keep a watch on the
developments.
3. Your attack has been against a member of the LUG
who on numerous occassions has made significant
contributions to this community, mostly by openly
sharing his knowledge and expertise with everyone. Not
that being all that puts him beyond reproach, except
that you have interpreted Arup's post entirely
out-of-context, and have posted a reply of rather
immoderate language. I find it unnecessary, nitpicking
and combative, and of a tone we could all have done
without.
4. For nearly 2.75 years I have served this community
as its ListAdmin by the general approval of the
members. Till date no one has ever complained about my
style of functioning (or lack thereof) or that I don't
know my job. I have seen this list grow from just 3
members to the present 150+ As the ListAdmin, it is my
job to stop a thread from spiralling out of control.
And I have had stepped in a number of times in the
past to do just that. Therefore, if you feel that I'm
not doing my job or is incapable of handling it,
please be polite enough to say that openly on the
list, rather than approach the matter in the covert
way which i feel you have chosen to adopt (w.r.t your
statement marked "iv").
--ListAdmin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raja Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under attack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arup Kanjilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under attack
>
>
> > Last heard, the president has declared this to be
an
> > act of war, which implies that the retaliation may
be
> > war. From what I heard today, the hijackers were
> > arabs.
>
> Please - there is enough ignorance and hate
mongering in this country
> already without your adding to it.
>
> Your bias or your ignorance of the situation here as
well as in the politics
> of this extreme tragedy is obvious from the the text
of your message.
>
> i) please capitalize "arabs"
>
> ii) "arabs" includes several 100 millions of people
from 10s of different
> countries, from 2 different continents (aside from
the worldwide diaspora),
> of at least 3 different "races", following at least
3 different religions;
> the entire sum total of hijackers, including those
who plannned and financed
> it must number at 20 or 30 - thus to say "arabs" did
it almost the same as
> saying "some people did it" i.e. a statement whose
information value (as
> opposed to hysterical, accusative value) is minimal
to non-existant - hence
> not worth making, - other than to whet one's bias
and hatered - especially
> on a public forum.
>
> iii) you possibly do not have experience of having
lived in the US
> especially in times like this but you should realize
that most - say 80% -
> Americans cannot distinguish between "arabs" and
Indians (not indians) and
> do not care to - like angry children they simply
want to lashout at
> something, anything that in there minds resemble the
"enemy" even slightly.
> It matters not if they victims of this hatred are
not even remotely related
> to the issue.
>
> So all Indians who live here and feel safe because
we are not "arabs" should
> think twice and thrice and take the same precautions
as if we _were_
> "arabs". I speak from experience - having lived
through the Iran hostage
> crisis and the first few days of the Oklohoma
bombing. I do need to mention
> that there is a high degree of effort from police
and other officials to
> prevent lynchings and harassment against all
residents here.
>
> iv) finally, this is a forum for discussing
technical matters specifically
> relating to the Linux OS and its use in Kolkata -
not a forum for any other
> information. Let us keep it that way. I am writing
this in an attempt to
> put an end to this thread here and will NOT respond
to any replies.
>
> >
> > Hate to see this trigger yet another war.
> >
>
> yes so do I - especially a misdirected war that will
bring in its wake more
> similar tragedies. Remember that is is most likely
a reaction from a group
> who came into existance from CIA funding.
>
> Of course, that is NOT a justtification by any means
- that is not the
> point - somehow even our leaders here are unable to
detach themselves enough
> to think about how to prevent similar incedents in
the future rather that to
> give vent to knee-jerk jingoistic reactions or to
their perceptions of such
> popular demands.
>
> Besides who will they "fight". Afganistan has NO
places left that has not
> been bombed 20 times over first by the Soviets and
then by themselves. They
> were reduced to shelling 2000 year old statues
recently !
>
> > Arup
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Believe me - The mood is pretty ugly here. I
live
> > > nearby, in New Jersey
> > > where a lot of folks commute to or from NY for
work.
> > > Yesterday all the
> > > nearby churches were overflowing with services
for
> > > those who have been
> > > identified. God knows what the final toll will
be.
> > > The only planes in the
> > > sky from 10AM local time ( Around the time the
last
> > > plane crashed - it took
> > > off from Newark NJ ) were F-16. Collegues whose
> > > relatives are in the air
> > > force have told us that they have been put on
War
> > > alert.Something big is
> > > brewing.
> > > Shanker
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Arup
> > > Kanjilal wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't know how many of you have been following
the
> > > > terrorist attacks here in the US. Saw the
footage
> > > > today morning and it was pretty shocking. We
had
> > > the
> > > > day off from work (unheard of in a startup -
> > > therefore
> > > > you can estimate how big this is), and while
going
> > > > home, the scariest part was that there wasn't
an
> > > > airplane in the sky. Normally in these parts,
you
> > > get
> > > > to see about 6 - 8 in the sky at a time, all
day,
> > > all
> > > > night.
> > > >
> > > > The Americans are pissed as hell, and the
whiplash
> > > > against the Arabs has already started - the
sad
> > > part
> > > > is that the Arabs are going to be the
scapegoat
> > > for
> > > > this till the actual culprits are found. And
god
> > > save
> > > > them if they're the ones really responsible
for
> > > this
> > > > stunt.
> > > >
> > > > Ppl have said that this is bigger than Pear
> > > Harbour -
> > > > which is a pretty sore spot in American
history.
> > > >
> > > > Really wonder who proved what by doing
something
> > > like
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > > Arup
> > > >
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