Chennai LUG is a crap, full of unwanted things.... SK always tries to prove he is king of Open Source and TN-LUG, but her forgets to recall that its community....
and there are only 7-8 active member in entire TN..... there are some follwers ( i mean beggers) ,... thay just follow... afterall madarasi means ravans, the devils, i dont think devils have minds,...... excuse me... rahu kethu, are exceptions .... bad luck to all tamils, may god distroy you like it did for Prabhakaran, your god father.. i like rajive gandhi On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send ilugc mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ilugc digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: One Day One GNU/Linux Command (DOS2UNIX) ((tag: odoc, > linux)) (Kapil Hari Paranjape) > 2. Re: BERYL IN LINUX (Shrinivasan T) > 3. Re: query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX environment > (Kenneth Gonsalves) > 4. Re: query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX environment > (Venkatraman S) > 5. Video Recording of SFD (Shrinivasan T) > 6. Re: Video Recording of SFD (Kenneth Gonsalves) > 7. Re: query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX environment > (Girish Venkatachalam) > 8. Re: Video Recording of SFD (Girish Venkatachalam) > 9. Re: query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX environment > (Girish Venkatachalam) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:50:28 +0530 > From: Kapil Hari Paranjape <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] One Day One GNU/Linux Command (DOS2UNIX) ((tag: > odoc, linux)) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello, > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > > In the shell do this. > > > > $ jot 50 1 50 > > An alternative for "bash" users is > echo {1..20} > This can be taken further with things like > echo file{1..20..2} > > And so on. > > Look at the section on "Brace Expansion" in the "bash" man page for > more information. > > Kapil. > -- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:17:30 +0530 > From: Shrinivasan T <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] BERYL IN LINUX > To: ILUG-C <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi, > > nice to know that you are interested in graphics. > > But, we need more information to help you. > > what do you want with graphics? > are you a student? > interested in graphics programming? > > or > just a user expecting to configure awsome graphics in your desktop? > > > -- > Regards, > T.Shrinivasan > > > My experiences with Linux are here > http://goinggnu.wordpress.com > > For Free and Open Source Jobs > http://fossjobs.wordpress.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:14:18 +0530 > From: Kenneth Gonsalves <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX > environment > To: "ILUG-C" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thursday 17 Sep 2009 12:44:48 pm Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thursday 17 Sep 2009 12:29:01 pm Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > > >> In the Windoze world normally worms infect your computer to send mails > > >> using your addressbook contacts and send spam using SMTP. > > >> > > >> Such things can never happen on UNIX. > > > > > > why not - suppose the user is foolish enough to run his gui as root > user? > > > > He needs access to the addressbook. We have no such concept. > > I do not understand - I have an address book > > > > And he needs open relay and an easy way to send e-mails. > > assume open relay - lot of inexperienced users have that > > > > I am not saying that it is not possible, but highly unlikely. > > in my early days I used to run as root, have an open relay and ftpd was > enabled - I got root kitted > > > > The main problem for a virus writer assuming it is myself is to find out > > the least common denominator of all Linux users. > > true > > > > That is very hard. Whereas Windows is a homogeneous world. > > yes > > -- > regards > kg > http://lawgon.livejournal.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:39:00 +0530 > From: Venkatraman S <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX > environment > To: ILUG-C <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Girish Venkatachalam < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There are far more Windows users on earth than Linux/UNIX users. > > > > This fact will never change. > > > > > I hear that Windows has a backdoor hole which is a cause of all the > problems. > Can you expatiate it technically and why Win doesnt plug it? What is the > fundamental premise which makes Linux/Unix not-virus-friendly? > > -V- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:39:00 +0530 > From: Shrinivasan T <[email protected]> > Subject: [Ilugc] Video Recording of SFD > To: ILUG-C <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Friends. > > Is it possible to anyone to record the talks and stalls on SFD? > > We can archive and circulate the videos among budding lugs and > interested people. > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > T.Shrinivasan > > > My experiences with Linux are here > http://goinggnu.wordpress.com > > For Free and Open Source Jobs > http://fossjobs.wordpress.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:47:39 +0530 > From: Kenneth Gonsalves <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] Video Recording of SFD > To: "ILUG-C" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thursday 17 Sep 2009 4:39:00 pm Shrinivasan T wrote: > > Is it possible to anyone to record the talks and stalls on SFD? > > > > We can archive and circulate the videos among budding lugs and > > interested people. > > and on your pod cast server too - what happened to that? Incidentally > related > to this, I had the privilege of seeing a demo of http://pad.ma by the lead > developer. Check it out. > -- > regards > kg > http://lawgon.livejournal.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:55:57 +0530 > From: Girish Venkatachalam <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX > environment > To: ILUG-C <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> He needs access to the addressbook. We have no such concept. > > > > I do not understand - I have an address book > > Virus writers will not bother about LDAP or some other format used by > certain people. They want Outlook addressbook which has a uniform > format. > > Anyway I am getting out of my premise here. Though I do know certain > aspects of Windows I am really not good at it. So I will stop here. > > >> And he needs open relay and an easy way to send e-mails. > > > > assume open relay - lot of inexperienced users have that > > That is different technology. Using botnets for sending spam. > > Virus writers do that with Windows machines and possibly linux open > relays. But the end machines are never linux. So you are right. > > I am right too. > > >> I am not saying that it is not possible, but highly unlikely. > > > > in my early days I used to run as root, have an open relay and ftpd was > > enabled - I got root kitted > > Though I am a cryptographer I do not use secure practices in my life. I > have never got affected. I have a free attitude towards life and it > percolates into my computing practices also. > > Linux is prone to attacks as you testify, but not virus attacks. Usually > the > harm is restricted to your server or your service. You don't launch a > network > wide denial of service attacks with a bunch of linux zombies. > > Windows can be easily taught to work like a bunch of zombies in concert > and form a spammer botnet. Such things can't be done with Linux. > > Ok I am wasting enough time already. Sorry have lot of work. > > If you have further questions please take it offline. > > -Girish > > -- > Gayatri Hitech > web: http://gayatri-hitech.com > > SpamCheetah Spam filter: > http://spam-cheetah.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:51:31 +0530 > From: Girish Venkatachalam <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] Video Recording of SFD > To: ILUG-C <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Shrinivasan T <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Friends. > > > > Is it possible to anyone to record the talks and stalls on SFD? > > > > We can archive and circulate the videos among budding lugs and > > interested people. > > Shrini, > > Why don't you record using screencast software? > > ffmpeg? > > Why trouble people over this? > > Do you really want to see people presenting? > > Just record the audio with a mic or cellphone and get the screencast of > ppt presentations and demos. > > I know it will be somewhat messy but I am suggesting alternatives if not > a solution. > > Best of luck. > > -Girish > > > -- > Gayatri Hitech > web: http://gayatri-hitech.com > > SpamCheetah Spam filter: > http://spam-cheetah.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:03:45 +0530 > From: Girish Venkatachalam <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] query about virus attack on UNIX / LINUX > environment > To: ILUG-C <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Venkatraman S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There are far more Windows users on earth than Linux/UNIX users. > >> > >> This fact will never change. > >> > >> > > I hear that Windows has a backdoor hole which is a cause of all the > > problems. > > Can you expatiate it technically and why Win doesnt plug it? What is the > > fundamental premise which makes Linux/Unix not-virus-friendly? > > This is the last question I will answer today. > > Why Windows doesn't plug it? I am not the right person to answer that. > > Microsoft couldn't care less. > > I can however tackle your other question. > > What makes UNIX unfriendly towards virus writers? > > I have already covered a lot of the easy stuff in my mails sent today. > > Since you are asking a pointed question I will get a bit more technical. > > I know of the cryptographic and other practices employed in the most > secure OS on earth, OpenBSD. Some of these ideas are used in other > UNICes and Linux as well. > > Cryptography requires randomness in everything. Crypto alone cannot > solve security problems. You need other protection mechanisms and > checks and balances. > > Stuff like stack protection, chroot jails, privilege separation, privilege > dropping and many many other things found only in OpenBSD. > > You can read some of Theo's papers at > > http://www.openbsd.org/papers > > I had read them for the ILUGC seminar. > > Now Linux and other UNICes have implemented some of the C buffer overflow > problems by randomizing mallocs. You need to randomize every form of ID > generation, be it TCP sequence numbers or DNS query IDs, > > OpenBSD has been doing this for ages. > > And you need a sound real random generator. We only find pseudo random > numbers in the computer world. Peudo random sequences have the entropy > of random numbers they are predictable and given a seed you have a fixed > stream. > > Random sources include hard disk accesses, network loads, keypresses, > mouse movements and so on. > > And most importancely UNIX with its sound design and KISS principle makes > it all the more harder for virus writers. > > But Windows is full of vulnerabilities of various kinds. Blob programs with > different trapdoors and weaknesses abound. > > That is it guys. I am tired. Sigh. > > -Girish > -- > Gayatri Hitech > web: http://gayatri-hitech.com > > SpamCheetah Spam filter: > http://spam-cheetah.com > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ilugc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > > > End of ilugc Digest, Vol 64, Issue 74 > ************************************* > -- Warm Regards, Nishant Prakash Kashyap _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, email [email protected] with "unsubscribe <password> <address>" in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
