On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 12:25, Pankaj kaushal wrote: > > I am neither discomforted by the discussion nor am I complacent, merely > un-interested in discussions without a result.
If there is a result-less discussion, maybe you could take more responsibility for it- you too are part of this list. What a typically privileged attitude -" Oh, nothing comes out of these discussions!" If you saw it as being in your interest, if you took ownership, you would try and get things to change. > > This was exactly my point, males *do* dominate various fields, similarly > there are many fields that are dominated by women, teaching for > example. All I wanted to say was that we have a bigger issue at hand. > Its not just that it is *linux* and the language of linux that is > intimidating to women thus they stay away. > > This group is a open community, anyone can raise her voice, if there are > women on this list and meetings who feel that the *prevailing > atmosphere* is unfriendly and discouraging then this issue must be > raised by pointing out what exactly makes one un-welcome and it must be > addressed. "And we men shall sit back till such time as this happens, and will not be discomforted by the fact that there is no fair representation. It is not our responsibility as the privileged gender to make any initiatives- let the marginalised look after themselves. Amen." > > This subject does come up every now and then, people wonder why more > women don't participate, they raise the issue and say, we should do > something about it. The thread reaches 50 and everyone forgets about it > because nobody knows what to do. > > You have made a start by raising the issue once again. Lets not dwell > into the the nature of society at large As for "not dwelling into the nature of society at large"- i am sorry, i am incapable of seeing things in isolation and closing my eyes to larger connections- and i do not see it as a failing. > but make this group, which you > made yourself a part of by subscribing to the mailing-list a little more > comfortable for women. Well, it will help if you refrain from referring to it (ever again) as "ugly head". And, if you haven't heard any bad jokes, then it just means that you don't see- that you don't see what is offensive to women. If you check the freedel blog right away- the topmost post by raju- if you don't find something objectionable in it- i have only this to say: there are none as blind as those who will not see. And yes, specifically, if you want to make the list comfortable for women, DO NOT put the onus entirely on them- that is guaranteed to offend women. Regards, Hassath _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- [email protected] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
