On Monday, 22 Aug 2005 1:19 pm, hassath wrote: > On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 12:25, Pankaj kaushal wrote: > > I am neither discomforted by the discussion nor am I complacent, merely > > un-interested in discussions without a result. > > If there is a result-less discussion, maybe you could take more > responsibility for it- you too are part of this list. What a typically > privileged attitude -" Oh, nothing comes out of these discussions!" If > you saw it as being in your interest, if you took ownership, you would > try and get things to change. >
Hassath, let us discuss this without getting bitter. I understand the frustation, and I do agree with AMS that atmosphere in the LUG meets is something that will make women (or children or any elderly people) uncomfortable. Like someone recently said - nobody tries to make the environment women-unfriendly. However, while I agree that the atmosphere is not right, I also have to bring it to your attention that this is a chicken and egg situation too. Because there are no girls or women or children generally at these meets, people have conversation in a manner which would otherwise not be acceptable in front of other sections of the population. We have had this discussion before, yes, but the reasons why they were inconclusive was because it was discussed primarily between us males only. Hassath, there are certain aspects of male conversation which we know are not appropriate if women are around (jokes about pr0n, for example). However, there are many other aspects which only a woman can sensitize us about. As you pointed out, you found an official announcement in bad taste. There would be some parts of that which are immediately understandable as being inappropriate. However, there might be other parts of the conversation which might not be so clear to others. We need help on this from women like you. Please help us "clean" out all our official announcements on Freedel, for instance. Just as we need people with experience in dealing with physically challenged persons, to sensitize us about building accessible technology, we need help from women professionals like you who deal with such issues everyday, to help make ILUGD more "friendly" to all sections of the population. (Uh. huh. Bad analogy -> might be taken otherwise by certain people. I am not trying to make any insinuation about women being challenged in anyway. ... Sigh. See how difficult being politically correct all the time is?) - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. | http://www.puroga.com GPG/PGP Fingerprint: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- [email protected] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
