How pathetic can you guyz geT!!!
these guys have the hardware in their head missing.. dont you get 
it???? you dont play ball with babies do you..
 LOL

V!bbZ

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:35:53 +0530, LinuxLingam wrote:
>hi all,
>
>yesterday, i opened the Economic Times, New Delhi edition, to note a 
splashy 
>ad from IBM, promoting a range of their new laptops. another page 
had an ad 
>from HP+Compaq, also for laptops. all the ads prominently displayed 
they ship 
>only with Microsoft WindowsXP or other flavours of windoze. they 
also carried 
>a small line on .../software/piracy/howtotell.html.
>
>duh!
>
>so i picked up the phone, boldly called up IBM (the guyz who pledged 
nearly 
>US$ 1 billion on gnulinux).
>
>"Hi! saw your ad in the paper, wish to buy the laptop model xxx, but 
does it 
>ship with the *original* ms windoze?"  i asked.
>
>"yes!" asserted the helpful woman voice.
>
>"good. so if i buy the laptop, *but* i do not wish to use win, and 
only use 
>gnulinux, could u provide me with that?"
>
>"uhhh.... sure! we will provide you with the laptop, you could 
install the 
>linux."
>
>"sure. but since i will *not* use the ms win sottware ever, and you 
bundle 
>it, could u please sell me an unbundled version, with the money for 
the 
>software deducted?"
>
>"nope" she sighed, "the machines come bundled. we do not unbundle. 
you may 
>install linux on your own if you wish." she said.
>
>"okay, don't unbundle." i persisted. "if, in front of your staff, i 
switch on 
>the machine, see the EULA, and click on 'disagree" do i get my 
refund. hey! i 
>am not breaking any law, i am complying with it, since i disagree 
with its 
>terms and conditions i'd rather disagree than break the agreement. 
why don't 
>u check with your management, or suggest a way out, or something."
>
>"gimme your name and number, and i'll call back in 2 hours." she 
promised.
>
>"after about 26(!) hours, which is the next day, i got her call.
>
>"did some dealer from us contact u?" she asked.
>
>"nope!" i said.
>
>"okay, lemme check" and she hung up.
>
>meanwhile, i also called up the hp-compaq number, and tried the same 
thing. 
>the conversation was nearly identical, the only difference "you 
could try one 
>of our dealers, maybe they could give you a discount."
>!
>so i tried a dealer, who promptly told me, "you gotta call up the 
headoffice, 
>we don't do no such thing."
>
>duh!
>
>encouragingly, saw a news in the papers (TOI) today, that LG is 
about to 
>introduce linux-based PCs in the market very soon. they also have in 
place 
>some training and orientation for customers, the article said.
>
>i hope the other players follow the same path.
>
>meanwhile, would be really quite wonderful if other ilugd members 
could call 
>up the big giants in computing, and ask for gnulinux boxes. they 
need to hear 
>the demand, and to give customers a choice. and microsoft should be 
given a 
>chance to respond positively and favourably towards people who are 
honest and 
>fair enough to 'disagree' with the eula. and of course, return them 
the money.
>
>c'mon guyz. 
>
>the number of compaq, that i called : 9628-123-123. 
>ibm's number: delhi: 3702022 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>compaq did not have an email id, but i suppose u could check out 
their 
>website.
>
>the ads contain a list of dealers in the delhi and ncr region. u 
could try 
>their numbers as well.
>
>we could post our experiences on the ilugd website. and we will use 
the 
>information to educate end-users on the choices they have, and 
promote those 
>companies who give end-users a choice. companies need to understand 
that 
>ilugd includes people from corporates, enterprises, as well as tech 
>consultants who advise and consult such organizations on deploying 
gnulinux.
>
>important: the info is obviously not restricted to laptops. it 
applies 
>equally on desktops as well.
>
>but what about toshiba, dell, sharp, sony, etc.
>would be fun if someone could call up microsoft and get their take 
on this.
>
>c'mon guyz. we need to see some action!
>
>LL
>
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