Since everyone seems to be asking, let me jump in too...

>>>>> "Sandip" == Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Sandip> On 18/12/02 13:14 +0530, tripta thus thundered:
    >> continuing the conversations,
    >> 
    >> about computers, systems and being savy about them.
    >> 
    >> During the conversations with a `computer' tecaher at a reputed
    >> college (women's), one of the issuses which came up was whether
    >> computer is a `System' or is it a `machine'.  would the
    >> interaction and understanding be different if it was considered
    >> a machine? would people be more at ease with it and the myth
    >> around it dissolve? for instance, sewing machine. women/ men
    >> are not intimidated with it. they work on it, dismantle it and
    >> are confident about it. what changes in the case of the
    >> computer?
    >> 
    >> and in this course of conversation, we stumbled upon the same
    >> question: who is computer savy? what does it mean to work
    >> with/on a computer? is it about knowing the `software'
    >> `hardware'? how do the networks of processes of production
    >> intersect with the the ones of actual `usage' or do they?

    Sandip> I believe that the exact phrase that Leo mentioned at the
    Sandip> meet was "literate" - computer literate. He asked that who
    Sandip> can be called a computer literate? A very relevant
    Sandip> question.

    Sandip> By our educational system right now a literate person is
    Sandip> one who can type a letter using MS word, can make a small
    Sandip> database app using MS Access, etc. - a pragmatic approach
    Sandip> keeping in view of the market. But NOT an ideal one.

    Sandip> Leos observation was that people need to realise where
    Sandip> they are right now. They should start talking about
    Sandip> changing the definition to include a man who can just type
    Sandip> a letter(regardless of the tool), can work with any
    Sandip> database etc.

About dynamics, politics, sociologics and other `ics' of computers and
free software: no clue.

About computer literacy: here's an excerpt from a mail I'd written in
a different context a couple of days ago.  FWIW, IMO a person is
computer literate when s/he can:

- Define the problem in a concise and precise way.  We've seen enough
of this in the mailing lists, where someone comes and says, `my
printer doesn't work'.  `Switch the goddam thing on, then!'.  No, if a
person is not able to state his/her problem, then that person is not
computer literate.

- Break up a large problem into smaller steps.  Unless you can
decompose problems into manageable pieces you will never be able to
start solving them.

- Locate/identify the tools required at each step of the decomposed
problem.

- Understand how to locate resources that help you use those tools.
Resources include other people, mailing lists, built-in help, IRC
channels, documents, HOWTO's, web sites, etc.  Question: if a student
gets an assignment program written by asking on a mailing list and
getting a complete solution from someone else is that student computer
literate?  I'd say yes: s/he has learned a very fundamental skill of
using computers, i.e. effectively using existing resources.

- Locate existing, partial solutions that may be incorporated into the
larger solution to the specific problem that the student is solving.
Are you good at finding clip-art on the 'net?  How about document
templates?  If you're making an invoice can you find existing invoices
and cut and paste your stuff into them?  Etc, etc, ad nauseum.

- Applying the tools and resources to solve the problem.

- [VERY IMPORTANT] Communicate the solution and the methodology used
to arrive at the solution to others.  If you can teach it you know it;
if you can't, you don't.  Documentation skills should be an essential
part of computer literacy IMNSHO.

Regards,

-- Raju

    Sandip> - Sandip

-- 
Raju Mathur               [EMAIL PROTECTED]      http://kandalaya.org/
                      It is the mind that moves

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