Microsoft's ad campaigns are famous for being dismally ineffective and laughably bad. Remember the XP campaign that promised that if you upgraded to XP you would gain the ability to levitate off the ground??
And a little girl singing tells me what about Macs, that the PC will now be able to work on iTunes but a Mac with OS 9 will not. Thanks Apple, good move. From 7. on, most things continued to work through the upgrades, they fell to the side and slowly the updates came out but X. requires every bit of software to be replaced. I can still run Photoshop 3 bought in 1995 on OS 9. X runs nothing old, see how it sorta feels like M$$ leaning on you a little.
The truth is, Microsoft are *terrible* marketers. What they DO know how to do very well is break the law, lie and spread misinformation, and bribe IT managers with promises of job security. THAT is how they got and keep their hold on the unimaginative and morally-bankrupt world of enterprise and IT-level computing. They are not the best, they are "good enough for gov't work" as the saying goes.
Agreed, totally, so Apple needs to it better, faster and at a higher quality then Mi$$. This will always work.I am far from pro M$$
This is nothing new in this world. Ford and GM sell several hundred TIMES the number of cars that, say, Ferrari does. well-made/expensive cars carve up the remaining 20% of the pie.
Except Apple does not have 20% of the pie,the ROI is way off, and if Apple did have 20% we would not be having this discussion
Look at the music world. Five record companies between them sell 80% of all recorded music. while the small indies have a MUCH higher quality ratio.
Agreed, but again as for computers, this is Apple to oranges, the profit margines are not the same, and computers do need to communicate in the tech world.. Apple has toAMAZE us.. Not rely on the core supporters.
Apple is *not meant* to ever supplant Microsoft, anymore than one day everyone in America is going to wake up, ditch their gas-guzzling, road-hogging, public-menace SUVs and buy much more sensible, safer and comparably-priced Volvos. Apple is *meant* to be the Cadillac of computers.
Again you can not compare cars to computers, Apple needs a larger share, with the right moves this is possible at 2 to 4% software companies may just give up. We have been through these stormy nights before, will they or won't they develop software for the Mac.
I wouldn't want it any other way. There's no point in going after the "cheap-ass bastard PC pirate" market.
I did pay for premium 2 dead pismos within months of each other, this is not quality. My older PBs still work rock solid. My old 6100 G3 everyday from 1995.
Check the issues with quality lately, you get around web, you know the issues.
I have always pushed the Mac because of quality, ease of use, and the ease of troubleshooting.. This was the real beauty of the Mac OS, but the real Mac OS is dead, we are now using UNIX with a Mac eye candy. For techies this might be great but under the GUI eye candy is a very complex system. The average user is going to find this difficult to troubleshoot unless Apple does some serious tweaking. It actually is closer to windoz then Mac..
Here's your Hit Parade of Popular But Completely Untrue Mac OS X Lies #5, 13, and 31. You're a troll who has no idea what the hell you're talking about.
This is no lie and you are rude to say so. I guess Apple does not either because their techs could not figure out what the problem was in 10.2 on a Pismo that had ran for for X 2 months just fine, slow but fine. After a month of reading everything I could get my hands on how X operates. I found out what we really have, UNIX with lots of fun code under GUI eye candy. Mac OS was NEVER this complicated to fix or repair. I broke down and called Apple, I went through the easy FSCK, NVR, this was at the high level of support mind you . For whatever reason I took their bait that there maybe something wrong with the rage video chip and the only answer was a MB replacement. Funny thing was everything under OS 9 ran fine, graphics in Photoshop, a graphic intensive game, all the utilities disks said the computer was fine and it took anything I could throw at it in OS 9. OS X just sat there with the gear spinning. So I guess I do know a little of what I am talking about problems with X..If it is broke get a new MB.
Darn Chas I thought you would get through this without you being like Madonna. Please do not start sinking t low levels of personality and think you are God of the Mac list. That anyone who gets an answer from you is privileged because you gave your precious time. I will gladly acknowledge you are well versed in Macs and help folks, but Chas that all gets lost in your rage at humanity. People are not chips and ram. If your personality was half as good as your tech support it really would be really helpful.. This is not your domain, you are not king, everyone here is equal and you should hold yourself to the same standards as everyone does. Your rantings make you look silly.
In point of fact, Mac OS X is MUCH easier to troubleshoot and do preventive maintenance on than OS 9. But truth gets in the way of your paranoid scenario so I'll not waste my valuable time explaining it to a simpleton. Go back to OS 9 and stay there and leave us the hell alone.
Totally wrong, this maybe the experience now because the MAJORITY of the users are experienced users, not all of course, I know grandma is 82 and is doing wonderful on X, but I know there are people who have thrown X back as half finished and are very unhappy. The Mac, the real Mac, was always easy to fix a problem. Now we are diving into code, root levels, command line fixes, UNIX. You may love this, I just want the computer to run. I do think if Apple can make this UNIX system run as easy as the previous Mac systems then Apple may have something, if not, well we shall see. Again Chas "leave us alone", have you taken over this list, is this your server, by saying impolite things to people who do not fit in the Chas square, you may keep people who have questions from asking themselves do I want to be subjected to the non technical part of your posts. I have said nothing here that is not being heavily discussed on every Mac board on the net. You think everything is perfect. If it is perfect why are you waiting to buy a new Mac, there perfect so why wait. Because you know they need to be faster and you are not going to spend money on it, why push others to do so..
I have had different experiences with Apples Service, far from good..
Given your attitude, I'm not really that surprised.
My attitude? Just because I and 75% of other Mac users think X is still beta, with hope for the future, and the machines available today just do not have the power to warrant a new purchase that's bad.. People have different views. I say get it right and I will buy. Till then there is not much in 10 that I can't do in 9. Gaps can be made up with different and sometimes better technology. New is not always better. I do believe we both share the love of Mac, I understand that, I was a Mac fanatic till things started slowing down after the iMac resurrection. I still am, but Apple needs to get going..
But still, I supposee should accept your *ONE* data point as being the true case and ignore those *39,000* other people as being deluded fools. Thank you for showing us the One Truth.
Please take a trip to the Apple site and look under iBook, those folks are having a great time, the 17" screens on the new powerbook there is another problem. The eMACs do I need to go on. I demand quality and I am not afraid to ask Apple for it. I have been one of their best salesmen but companies change, there are road Apples out there. Geez, 39,000 people and not one complaint, imagine that. Life in the Chasbaugh
*plonk* _Chas_
Plop Geoff
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