Well, gang, I personally, from the wisdom of my advanced years, think that it is extremely poor taste and downright insulting to start bleating about another "foreign" list on a list owned by another Mac guy and particularly one owned by Dan. I have been a member of one or another of his lists since the 90s, and I have only seen him kick someone off a couple of times. Remember that obnoxious resident of the UK? Dan has been providing a service to the Mac community and covering all the various incarnations of Apple computers, for so long, at great cost to his own income, with very little help from anyone, other than the folk who advertise on his lists, and has had to hold down a couple of part time jobs in order to survive. To Mr Krispy Kreme, go for it, start another list...but first of all, go buy a G-5 and play with it for awhile....or have you already done that? I have found so much great information over all the years I have been on one or another of Dan's lists, that I now never have any problems with my flat panel iMac, that I cannot find an answer to. Like all lists, and I am on many food lists as my other hobby is cooking hot & spicy, there are always those who figure that they can do it better. Great! Free country, go try it, just be certain that you are able to afford to do it, and hope you succeed. My two cents worth, which I do not throw in often enough, perhaps! Cheers, old Doug on Vancouver Island BC


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