Russell, I had lots of advice about buying a MacBook Pro (mid 2012), because it's fairly easy to upgrade.
As for where I am, London at the moment. I managed to escape last year to Berlin, but I was forced back thanks to all the COVID-19 restrictions. I was still classed as a tourist and wasn't allowed to book accommodation any more, so I had nowhere to sleep. I've just checked my Internet download speed and it's 47.2Mbps. I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do with them. Would someone like to explain? There might be a secret stash of lots of software somewhere I've never heard of, but that doesn't seem to be MacIntosh Garden, or MacIntosh Repository. On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 18:27, Russell Courtenay <[email protected]> wrote: > I know this is the iMac group but I appreciate the email discussion and it > looks like this is the only email group on Macs that has survived Facebook! > I am on Facebook too but wow is it a time waster... > > I’ve done a lot of research on the older MacBook Pros and I think 2012 is > where it’s at. I have a 2010 and it is getting too slow to do much, with > all the video conferencing we do these days it won’t do AirPlay well so my > family can participate. > > My 2011 17” is beautiful and fast but has the graphics issue. As I have > time I will apply the hardware fix but I needed something that works now. > > I really wanted a 2015 or 2016 but with the butterfly keyboard issues > unresolved I finally paid a bit more and got a 2019 16” MacBook Pro and it > is a dream. Now I just need to do enough work with it to make it pay for > itself somehow... > > Now that my older MacBooks are retired from daily use I hope to make mods > to them to make them work well into the 21st century! > > By the way, where are you located Paul? > > I am in the SW Idaho USA high desert, been living in the rurals and > farming for years but now struggling to get used to living in the city. I > like the good internet at least... > > Russell Courtenay > Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 16, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Paul Londoner <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for > me. > > I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never > even heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no > Macs near me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA. > > Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD > from eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this, > but after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well > as blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do > with me installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately > after that. > > After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid > 2012) and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the > equivalent of $151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that > it couldn't find an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had > Catalina installed on its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid > 2012) has only 4Gb of RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent > Mac, although it's upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the > other MBP. > > Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the > MBP with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I > had a look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also > unscrew the bracket holding the RAM in. I replaced the back of this MBP, > but I lost one screw and another one wouldn't go in! The next thing I knew, > I found that the screen was no longer giving me any problems! This is > still the situation a few days later and I'm typing this message on it! > > I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my > Nokia 2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone > and my first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now > planning to upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD. > > I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models > from i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I > could do it myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software, > but I'm not sure what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or > what's so special about it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers > to be more powerful than models from years later. My ultimate goal is to > create a clone of an Apple Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi, > or a Banana Pi computer. > > -- > > Paul > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:49, Bruce Johnson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using >> the facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check >> compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out. >> >> SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED >> INSTALLING ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON >> A "MacBook Pro 17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010" >> >> >> Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! (EveryMac.com) >> >> >> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222 >> >> I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the >> Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual >> subscription. Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from >> there for macOS 10.13 High Sierra? >> >> >> I don’t have a paid subscription to the developer section, so I don’t >> know. I have a free one and there are only a variety of developer tools >> available to me for downloading. >> >> Given that these seem to be requirements for you; I'd start looking for a >> newer MacBook pro. Mid 2012 ones will run Catalina, I just worked on one of >> those yesterday. The cutoff for MacBook Pros for Big Sur is mid 2013. >> >> Some casual Googling turned up this deal : >> https://www.macofalltrades.com/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-2-3ghz-quad-core-i7-retina-mid-2012-mc975ll-a-1-excellent-condition/?setCurrencyId=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3pWDBhB3EiwAV1c5rMTXqV0raCGYfhx6oSMEULzyEAu6NG5edyg-sjsr20PODHpL1XVTLRoC5bcQAvD_BwE >> >> Also don't discount picking up an 8GB MacBook Air 2014; I found lots for >> ~ $400 on fleabay. >> >> >> >> -- >> Bruce Johnson >> University of Arizona >> College of Pharmacy >> Information Technology Group >> >> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a >> group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. >> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our >> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To leave this group, send email to [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "iMac Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/95D76145-1DFF-410B-8741-90197F356769%40pharmacy.arizona.edu >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/95D76145-1DFF-410B-8741-90197F356769%40pharmacy.arizona.edu?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a > group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To leave this group, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iMac Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/CAP17ERA8TtaaKVgsZBEMoDhrYHycha1ZuL8k_pZSiWEx91KZMA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/CAP17ERA8TtaaKVgsZBEMoDhrYHycha1ZuL8k_pZSiWEx91KZMA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a > group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To leave this group, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iMac Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/828140E1-5A6C-4F41-BBBF-6CA5727DE4E2%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/828140E1-5A6C-4F41-BBBF-6CA5727DE4E2%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. 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