Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing.

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I don't think it's unethical but I do think it is insulting. Also,all that complaining we did last year did shake things up a bit since we don't hear from Jill any longer and we have a standalone Imail now. Perhaps ISP's don't represent a large enough group to complain for ourselves here but you're right we do have a choice as to where we spend our money. A friend of mine works for Sprint here in Tallahassee and he's telling me that Sprint is lobbying the State to let them impose a Katrina fee to cover the cost of their lost exquipment. In my book they shouldn't have installed it below sea level so why should I have to pay an extra fee for that? You and I would eat the cost of our datacenters and couldn't hope to get our customers to nut up to pay for it on top of our normal fees. Ipswtch's error last year is no different in my opinion.. Welch, Tom wrote: What is unethical about it? This is a free market, capitalistic society we live in that says I can charge whatever I want and you can decide whether you want to buy it. The people who complained the most over the past 18 months are the ones who are still complaining. It's obvious that the price increase will have to be weighed against the cost of migrating. But the decision is still yours -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:30 PM To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. $995.00 is a 50% increase in the prices of last year's SA and that is not only GOUGING, but TOTALLY UNETHICAL! Bruce Barnes ChicagoNetTech Inc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:45 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. To be honest, Kevin did mention what the prices would be close to, however I was in my car driving home after being at a client for 6 hours and I was tired and hungry, so I do not remember what numbers he said, but I will say that either the 1000 user SA or unlimited user SA will have a MSRP of about $995. John T eServices For You -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Brown Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:10 AM To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. Decisions are best based upon facts as opposed speculation. Why the mystery about the new cost of SA? Why can't IPSwitch be upfront, rather than sell the idea of buying an SA at the prevailing cost? Wednesday, November 9, 2005, 6:35:28 PM, John T (Lists) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JTL> Responding to several posts and further information. What I am JTL> going to post JTL> is my thoughts/opinions/knowledge based on what I have read, JTL> those I have JTL> talked to now and in the past, reading between the lines, and my JTL> gut feelings. And believe me, my gut is way too big. JTL> First of all, we all know and understand that Ipswitch really JTL> took a turn JTL> for the worse around 3rd quarter of 2004. (It may have even been JTL> a little JTL> earlier.) Just prior to that our beloved John Korsak left to JTL> pursue other JTL> interests. With that, a new management team was in place at Ipswitch. Part JTL> of the management was Jill Jones. My conversations with her at JTL> the time of JTL> ICS introduction left me with a bad taste, albeit one I was able JTL> to accept JTL> under my circumstances. That new management team basically turned JTL> a deaf ear JTL> to the needs of many us, being ISPs and small to large hosting providers. JTL> Well, it appears that Jill Jones is either no longer with JTL> Ipswitch or has JTL> been reassigned to a lesser role and Kevin Gillis is now in JTL> charge or major JTL> part of Product Management. I am not sure what his exact title is. JTL> The gist of this is that Ipswitch decided in the second half of JTL> 2004 that JTL> they wanted to pursue a different cliental, underestimating the JTL> value of JTL> their current client base at that time. In doing so, they JTL> alienated many of JTL> us, and lost a lot of business which was not recovered in their JTL> new focus JTL> like they thought it would. Now they have a new/revamped JTL> management team in JTL> place and have realized the harm that was done and are making progress JTL> towards resolving that. Are they going to win back everyone who JTL> left, no. JTL> Are they going to please everyone, no. But they are trying, and JTL> they are JTL> listening. JTL> It appears that they are now going to offer Imail in 3 forms: Standalone, JTL> Secure server, and a complete Suite. Each will be offered in 5 JTL> levels based JTL> on users: 25, 100, 250, 1000 and unlimited. Personally, I would JTL> have like to JTL> seen 100, 250, 1000, 5000 and unlimited. Although I do not know JTL> what exactly JTL> the new prices will be for standalone, from what Kevin told me on JTL> the phone JTL> while I was driving home I for the most part accept as sensible JTL> what the JTL> pricing will be except like I said I feel drop the 25 and add 5000. JTL> So what does my rambling mean? JTL> If you have Imail standalone with/with out a current SA I JTL> recommend the JTL> following: JTL> If you have under 100 users, wait for the new SA pricing. JTL> If you have over 1000 users, purchase a Imail Professional SA now. JTL> If you are between those amounts, you could save some money or JTL> spend a JTL> little more money if you buy a SA right now. JTL> It also means I will continue to use Imail and offer my support/assistance JTL> to others when I can, continue to offer Imail support services to clients JTL> and once again offer Imail as a possible solution for clients. JTL> John T JTL> eServices For You JTL> To Unsubscribe: JTL> http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html JTL> List Archive: JTL> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ JTL> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ ---- Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. 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