Doesn't matter whether the ISP or the SPAMMER sets up the RDNS. Once we can validate an RDNS, we can prosecute both the ISPs who refuse to stop hosting the spammers as well as the spammers. Either way, RDNS assures a traceable route back to the source, and the ability to prosecute either the spammer AND/OR the hosting company.
Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, New York, California, Washington (state), Oregon and Virginia have all successfully prosecuted spammers now, and the prosecution trend will continue to grow as long as mail service providers are willing to start using tools, and maintaining logs, that will allow them to both refuse spam and capture the spammer's information for the purposes of prosecution. We can debate methodology all day long. Until we, as providers, are actually willing to utilize tools in the war against spam, and to either prosecute, or cooperate in the prosecution of spammers, spam will continue to be a very profitable business for the spammers, and a headache for us and our customers or companies. As I said earlier, since our implementation of RDNS checks on all incoming e-mail in February of 2003, none of my customers has ever complained about a single lost message because of my enforcement of RDNS and we will continue to use RDNS as one of the tools in our war against spam no matter what anyone on this list thinks about it. As I stated earlier, AOL already set the threshold on this. See: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html. While I don't agree with AOL on everything they do, I do agree with them on this one. NO RDNS = REJECTED E-MAIL. Straight to the bit bucket, no notification, no tears, less spam. Bruce Barnes ChicagoNetTech Inc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 21:43 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Reverse-DNS-Check I did not say the spammers would setup RDNS the ISPs will to avoid problems. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Barnes > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Reverse-DNS-Check > > > If spammers setup RDNS, then they can be more effectively prosecuted > under existing laws, something that's already beginning to happen. > > Bruce Barnes > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 21:04 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Reverse-DNS-Check > > Then spammer ISP's will setup RDNS for all ip addresses, which most > already do! > > Kevin Bilbee > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matrosity > Hosting > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Reverse-DNS-Check > > > What would happen if everyone refused mail on this test? > > Bruce Barnes wrote: > > While it may not be good as a single test, remember that AOL bounces > ALL messages without reverse DNS. > > When one of our bandwidth providers screwed up our reverse DNS > allocation, AOL immediately stopped accepting all e-mail from us because our > IN-ADDR.ARPA records were no longer available. Once we got the bandwidth > provider to re-allocate our REVERSE DNS, AOL immediately started to > accept our messages again. > > For more information on , see: > http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html. > > While AOL's connection message, sent to the mail server as mail > transmission to AOL is negotiated states: "America Online > (AOL) and its affiliated companies do not authorize the use of > its proprietary computers and computer networks to accept, transmit, > or distribute unsolicited bulk e-mail sent from the internet. > Effective immediately: AOL may no longer accept connections from > IP addresses which have no reverse-DNS (PTR record) assigned." > > The link > http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html, in line 4 of > the served page, now clearly states: "AOL's mail servers will reject > connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a > PTR record)." > > Considering that one post I saw stated that AOL was rejecting > something like eight billion messages per day (please don't attack > the quoted number as it may or may not be accurate), based on no > reverse DNS entry, that pretty much makes it a "de-facto standard" > If they are doing it, then it's going to be pretty hard for others > to ignore it. > > Once we implemented immediate rejection for no reverse DNS entry - > two years ago now, we saw our spam drop by almost 50% and have not > had one single complaint since doing so. Remember, too, that for > anyone to have a reverse DNS entry also requires allocation of the > subnet you are using to the primary domain name of your mail server. > It CAN be done. Sometimes it takes some work, but it CAN be done. > There are several posts in the archive about this very issue. > > Bruce Barnes > ChicagoNetTech Inc > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T > (Lists) > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 19:33 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Reverse-DNS-Check > > It is a good test as part of a weighting system. > > However, to take action on one test is not so wise. > > John T > eServices For You > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:IMail_Forum- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Schaible > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:16 PM > To: Ipswitch IMail Mailing List > Subject: [IMail Forum] Reverse-DNS-Check > > Hi, > > We do not use the reverse dns check for a spam check. I'm not sure, > if > the > > > time is > > > right to switch it on. 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