No argument here... I always prefer more flexibility to less.

I guess my primary concern is that the beauty of IMail is in its simplicity
- easy install, easy setup, and long periods of reliable, uninterrupted
service.  That's why I'm careful with my feature requests, since I don't
want IMail to turn into an over-engineered piece of crap like MS Exchange,
which - in its attempt to be all things to all people - often fails in its
core mail server functions.  We own licenses for MS Exchange, and we don't
use them because IMail serves us with honor - not with aggravation.

I'm all for a penalty box, RBL support, and anything else that helps us
fight spammers.  However, if the addition of all these features means that
I'll have to send my admins to a series of $2000 "certification" courses
just to understand the system, then I think we've missed the point, and
we've diluted what IMail has to offer.

There's my 2 cents... don't spend it all in one place.

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Jordan Dorf
President/CEO
TeraLynx Consulting Partners, LLC
http://www.teralynx.net
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on 2/7/00 9:36 PM, Ed Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I agree Imail needs RBL support... has for some time.
> 
> The Penalty Box idea is solidly based. Wouldn't it be better to catch the
> Spam before it goes out than to staff the people to respond to the anti-Spam
> hate mail? and to look inept?
> 
> Remember the amounts and times need to be adjustable. Your are correct one
> size doesn't fits all... some systems need a higher limit than others. If
> you are getting a lot in a Spool at 25 raise it to 50 and then to 100 until
> the number is reduced to a desired amount to reduce false alarms. This is
> MUCH better than 10,000's.
> 
> I believe Imail could effectively insert both methods. RBL and Penalty Box.
> This would virtually eradicate Spam via Imail.
> 
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> President/CEO
> FIRST Internet Service
> 69500 Bannock Rd.
> P.O. Box 355
> St.Clairsville, OH. 43950
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jordan Dorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Excellent SPAM Solution! (please respond
> withcomments)
> 
> 
> Ed,
> 
> I think your goals are noble, but there isn't any one-size-fits-all rule
> that will block spamming attempts.  Not that the "penalty box" is a bad
> idea... but do you really have the admins to spare in order to make it work?
> As you grow, will you be able to sustain the labor costs of having an admin
> check and approve each and every mailing above a certain preset limit?  I
> don't think I would...
> 
> Furthermore, let me give you an example of how this might cause trouble:
> 
> I know several of our customers who - despite the fact that they have list
> admin access in their respective IMail hosts - choose to manage their lists
> exclusively on the client side, within Outlook or Outlook Express.  They
> address a message once - to the local list address - and they send it.
> Outlook, however, sends the message as if it's addressed to 100, or 200, or
> whatever number of users.  It's not spam, but the "penalty box" would think
> that it was, and a legitimate mailing would be delayed and/or blocked.
> 
> For what it's worth, my view is that IMail will continue to have inferior
> spam blocking capabilities until Ipswitch figures out a way to hook it into
> the RBL, maintained at http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ .  There, you have an
> organization that is dedicated to nothing else but hunting and trapping
> spammers, and they do a much better job than you, I, or any admin could do.
> 
> There's your challenge, Ipswitch - figure out a hook into the RBL.  Other NT
> mail servers have it... so, instead of compelling us to switch to a mail
> server that sucks, just to get RBL support, please integrate it with IMail.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --
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> Jordan Dorf
> President/CEO
> TeraLynx Consulting Partners, LLC
> http://www.teralynx.net
> ***********************************
> 
> 
> on 2/7/00 8:29 PM, Ed Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Have SMTP detect mass deliveries determined by a desired limit and then
>> delay delivery or even spool the rest of the messages until the Admin gets
> a
>> chance to clear it (In kind of a Penalty Box)... this would make the
> Spammer
>> believe he has succeeded and then the Administrator would be able to
> cancel
>> the remaining Spam before it is even delivered.
>> 
>> For example:
>> 
>> Someone tries to send a Spam via mail.domain.com can be TO or FROM... when
> a
>> specific IP tries to send more than 25 messages within a certain period of
>> time a flag is raised and then any messages beyond that are spooled for a
>> certain amount of time or until the SPAM ceases. A warning message is then
>> sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or any desired email address that lets the
>> Admin know that a Mass Mail attempt may have been made. At this point the
>> remainder of the messages are stored in a seperate directory or seperate
>> spool until the Admin gets a chance to check these messages. At that point
>> the messages can be delivered if legit or deleted if it is SPAM. This
> would
>> stop all but the first 25 SPAM's if it is SPAM and the person will assume
> he
>> was successful. Then he/she can be reprimanded and not even be able to
>> successfully send their SPAM. It's a WIN-WIN. I wonder why it hasn't been
>> done before... I see no negatives to this scenario. Sure the other SPAM
>> rules can still be used but this would be a feature that raises IPSwitch
>> above the rest in Spam protection.
>> 
>> I would like people to comment on this idea and if it is believed to be
> good
>> enough IPSwitch should be encouraged to implement it in the next version
>> update.
>> 
>> --
>> Edgar D. Taylor
>> President/CEO
>> FIRST Internet Service
>> 69500 Bannock Rd.
>> P.O. Box 355
>> St.Clairsville, OH. 43950
>> Voice: (740) 695-2280
>> Fax: (740) 695-7258
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