On Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 18:50:43, Matt wrote:
> I have never heard of an authentication scheme that fails a protocol and
> then tries something more secure instead.  The only claim for the server
> being involved is that it allows people to mistakenly use a less secure 
> means by misconfiguration.

Well yeah, that was my (apparently poorly stated) point when I said
>> True  but from the POV of the compliance auditor the account credentials
>> were leaked because the server told the client that plain text was OK to
>> use.

> On our server where we host a very wide variety of users on a wide
> variety of domains, I found the following results for today's SMTP AUTH 
> traffic:
>     94.97% - Used AUTH LOGIN
>      5.03% - Used CRAM-MD5
>
> I'm guessing that Thunderbird defaults to CRAM-MD5, while most 
> everything else defaults to AUTH LOGIN.

Which probably results in less support calls :-)

> I have never seen a compliance company/auditor that doesn't say things
> that are ridiculously alarmist _at best_.  Although CYA is generally 
> practiced by those on the other side of things, that doesn't mean that 
> just because some automated tool said something that you must follow 
> their lead.

The  OP  didn't say why he was trying to attain PCI compliance. If its a
prerequisite  for the ability to accept credit cards he might not have a
choice.

> If you have a single group of E-mail users it might be possible to 
> upgrade to IMail 9.21 to get this, but if this server handles multiple 
> domains and/or companies/groups, then it is not realistic to expect that
> CRAM-MD5 is something that you want to force down their throats.

Or setup one or more (perhaps new) server for those domains or companies
that require it.

> Some auditors would consider any non-VPN off-network access to a mail 
> server to be a security risk (and in some cases rightfully so), but I 
> don't see how this PCI thing is any more than minor point.  I'm also 
> quite sure that this test pretty much assumes that you are using 
> Exchange/Groupwise/Notes as opposed to an open standards E-mail server.

Since  the OP didn't identify what company is doing the compliancy tests
this  is  just speculation. I would hope that they don't assume anything
and  just  run  their  tests  against  all the MX's defined as receiving
e-mail for the domain.

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