I can't believe people are still hashing this stuff over??!! And it strikes me that some of these comments are getting a little personal.
The reality is that there are two kinds of people who post messages on this list: those that have a problem, and those that are just very involved with IMail. The 'problem-listers' are usually a little down on Ipswitch because they often come here when Ipswitch's tech support failed to solve their problem. The 'involved-listers' aren't necessarily down on Ipswitch, but they usually have a strong interest in IMail and in everything that Ipswitch does. So these people hash over Ipswitch's moves with a pretty critical eye, and that's what you're hearing here. Finally, there is that silent majority, that seldom post here. However, even these people can be provoked if they think Ipswitch is changing there IMail product or corporate direction in a fashion which might disrupt their (the silent users') use of IMail. As long as I'm posting corrections, it's worth adding a few others: * Personally, even if IMailAV were cheaper, I would still prefer Declude. Integration is nice, but freedom of choice of AV product is nicer. All the AV vendors have their good years and bad years, and I would prefer flexibility in choosing my AV vendor. * Someone claimed that having the code as a system service would be more efficient or less resource-intensive than a command-line scanner. That's not necessarily true. The Symantec AV code could be more efficient than the Declude if it is tightly integrated with IMail's internal processing, but that depends on how closely the Symantec and Ipswitch programmers are working together. Simply making the code a service or a DLL doesn't mean squat for efficiency. *This list is NOT setup for IMail's tech support -- at least, not in the sense of Ipswitch providing support to users through this list. Occassionally, they answer questions, but that's gotten very rare the last year or so. They will be the first to tell you that this list exists so that users can help each other. "Help" here is a pretty broad term, which could include discussing whether Ipswitch is making good business decisions. Anyway, isn't it about time to drop this line of discussion? The product has been released, so there's not much we can do about it, except to wait to see how it does in the marketplace. Ben BC Web ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude > Nice advertisement for Declude. Thanks for proving my point. > > As for my sounding like this "Harry Sacks" guy, whoever that is(just > re-signed up for this forum the other week), I'll just say this: > > You and your friend Jim come on here and whine and insult IPSwitch and as > soon as someone defends them, you try to tear them apart. You get mad when > IPSwitch defends THEMSELVES, and why shouldn't they? This listserv wasn't > set up for you and your buddy to use as a marketing tool. It was set up for > Tech Support. I have been a fan of IPSwitch products for years and since you > won't allow IPSWITCH to defend themselves, I figured I would stand up for > them. > > I have never even HEARD of Declude before you mentioned them in this forum. > I don't know if your product is good or bad. Personally, I don't really > care. I use IPSwitch products. They work the first time, everytime. The > installs never give me a problem, and usually by the time I find out there > is a problem, IPSwitch already has fixed it. No one has EVER built a program > that is 100% bugproof or served the needs of 100% of the people on the > planet. So just back off. > > It's interesting. No one has flamed your product, which isn't a full > featured mail server, but third-party add on. Even I haven't flamed your > product - just your method of marketing it. yet you come on here(lately, > it's been a daily occurence) and slam IPSwitch because they didn't pick you. > > I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. > > Rick > > P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your > insecurity is showing :) > > > Just a comment here (I'll try to refrain from saying anything that isn't > > constructive): > > > > Command line AV scanning is quite resource intensive, but with todays fast > > CPUs, it's possible to scan over 100,000 E-mails per day on a single > server > > without a performance issue (on a decent server; a slower one could handle > > that load but might be slower than usual). > > > > A service based AV product can offer better performance, if in an > > architecture that is designed for performance (the internal TCP/IP traffic > > of IMail AntiVirus will add extra overhead) . From the preliminary > > information we have, it looks like IMail AntiVirus and Declude should be > > able to handle similar loads. This will of course depend on a number of > > factors (such as the specific scanner used, what options are used with it, > > hard drive access, etc.). Declude Virus Pro also now offers a > > "pre-scanning" feature that also helps with the performance and let you > > scan more E-mail on a single server, so that it won't have to start the > > virus scanner in up to about 80% of the cases where it would normally be > > needed (that doesn't mean a 5x performance increase though; perhaps 2-3x). > > > > -Scott > > --- > > Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for > > IMail. http://www.declude.com > > > > > > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > to be removed from this list. > > > > An Archive of this list is available at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > > > > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > to be removed from this list. > > An Archive of this list is available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. 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