OT: Do non UK residents know what/who Ann Summers is ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: MIke Mckay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 28 March 2002 11:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] ORBZ shut down - ok.. Lets beat a dead horse to
death one more round then snip this thread


The problem with spam policy is it is very individual. Some people are very
annoyed by one single "non" solicited email, others don't mind and look at
the subject before deciding whether to bin or read, and there is the
unfathomable middle ground that is only offended by spam that they are not
interested in. (I think these people are waiting for psychic profile
building spam servers that know what sites you have been to and sends you a
tailored spam content).

All points aside the fact of the matter remains that there is no distinction
from the spammers viewpoint as to whether an email address is corporate or
personal so the overriding problem above all else is the problem of porn
spammers and this if any sector of spamming should be tackled first by the
industry and prioritised above all else, possibly by a similar system to
orbz but for specifically to stop porn spamming.

Quote of the day (source unknown)

The internet is a bit like having the worlds biggest library inside an ann
summers shop!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Alumbaugh
Sent: 28 March 2002 01:21
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] ORBZ shut down - ok.. Lets beat a dead horse to
death one more round then snip this thead



> Isn't unsolicited mail sent to a user on your system considered... 
> well... SPAM?  How do you differentiate between the good SPAM and the 
> bad SPAM?

Believe it or not.. We have about 10% of users opt to have no spam filter in
place..  Some of these people just like it.. Go figure.  We use the pro
version and let users select their level of spam filtering, I don't really
care whether they want spam or not.. It is their choice. I provide a mail
transport service for my users.. That is what I am paid to provide.  I let
them decide what they wish to receive and what spam tests they wish to be
performed.

> >I guess the way I look at it is if the spammer pays for his own mail 
> >and
> bandwidth to deliver the goods I can't fault him.
> The problem is that I'm paying for some of this without the ability to 
> deny the charges! Even if the SPAMmer uses his own server with a paid 
> internet connection, I'm still paying for part of his delivery!  Thats 
> why Fax SPAMming is illegal in many states.  The lawmakers just 
> haven't yet realized the cost of receiving email.

Maybe you serve a different market.  If I were serving a corporate mail
envirnoment I wouldn't particularly want any incoming non-business mail..
But as a provider to the general public it isn't my call.  Most of the junk
I see getting tagged as spam on our system is from stupid things that users
actually opt in for (whether they know it or not at the time).

Be glad to debate more off list but is getting a little lenthy for the
entire list to have to wade through. ;)


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