I would think the easier solution would be to send out an email with
complete instructions on how to upgrade the email accounts in the client
software BEFORE you make the actual changes on the server end.  Then give
the clients a week or two to make the actual changes and warn them that if
they don't make the changes, they will no longer be able to send of receive
any email.

In the process of purchasing an ISP that had been using IMAIL without
requiring SMTP AUTH and fully qualified logins we did just that as part of
the takeover process.  While there were several users who b**ched about
receiving the email and having to make the changes, we had an over 97%
compliance rate within the first week and only had to hand-hold about 30
users.

For the purpose of the hand-holding, we built a canned email that showed,
with embedded graphics, where and how to make the changes and included an
explanation that there was a 100 percent mandatory compliance requirement if
the user wanted to continue to use their email.  A copy of the canned email
was carboned to the end user's supervisor (or the person responsible for
maintaining the users on the appropriate domain) with a note that if the
person refused to comply their email would be discontinued without further
discussion on the topic.

In the end, we had 100% compliance without the loss of a single user.

Remember, if the users and clients are going to complain about spam and all
of the other issues they complain about on an hourly basis, then they have
to be willing to cooperate when we make changes that will help eliminate
some of those issues and make their email more secure in the long run.

None of us have either the time or the IP addresses to waste any more!
Bruce Barnes

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John N. Ecker
II
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 15:06
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Migrating from real IPs to Virtual Hosts


Guy,

I agree, and in a perfect world "1000 hours of Free AOL" disks would taste
like chocolate!  ;)

Problem is, I'm inheriting a mess....the joys of consulting! I'm sure most
of my client's users were set up years ago and did not configure their email
client software to login so fully qualified.

So, my question, considering they are set up this way, is will it definitely
cause problems or is IMail smart enough to associate the domain name with
the username given the information provided?

You see what I am getting at, right? Do I bill my client:

8.0 hours of consulting to migrate from Server A to Server B and recovering
lots of IPs that they need

--- or ----

8.0 hours of consulting to migrate from Server A to Server B and recovering
lots of IPs that they need
and
200.0 hours of assisting hundreds of users to update their Outlook settings




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Guy Isabel
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Migrating from real IPs to Virtual Hosts


John,

The fact that e-mail users must enter their fully-qualified address while
logging in takes care of the multiple-domains issue. On top of this, they
all should use SMTP AUTH for security reasons. Migrating from dedicated IP
domains to virtual domains should not be an issue as long as users log in
using their fully-qualified adresses, e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

In short, users *must* enter their fully-qualified addresses as their login
names *and* you should enforce SMTP AUTH for everyone.

Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: "John N. Ecker II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "IMail_Forum@list. ipswitch. com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: [IMail Forum] Migrating from real IPs to Virtual Hosts


> Maybe there's an FAQ on doing this, but I'm having trouble finding the
> answer in previous posts.
>
> What are the procedures and pitfalls for migrating an IMail 7 installation
> with multiple hosts and dedicated (real) IPs to a new server using virtual
> hosts? Mosts of the user clients I am sure are set up to use simple user
> names and passwords without the domain extensions ("johndoe" instead of
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") and SMTP AUTH is not being used. Their POP3 and SMTP
> server names are both entered as "mail.abc.com".
>
> Once the hosts and users are migrated, is there the issue of duplicate
> recipient names on different hosts getting confused if the client has not
> entered the full email address as the login name? For example:
>
> User "John Doe #1 at ABC.com" Outlook settings:
> Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> POP3: mail.ABC.com (resolves to 123.123.123.1)
> SMTP: mail.ABC.com (resolves to 123.123.123.1)
> Account name: johndoe
> Password: mydogsname
>
> User "John Doe #2 at XYZ.com" Outlook settings:
> Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> POP3: mail.XYZ.com (resolves to 123.123.123.1)
> SMTP: mail.XYZ.com (resolves to 123.123.123.1)
> Account name: johndoe
> Password: mybirthday
>
> If these two virtual hosts are on the same server, do they authenticate
> properly or will they need to use a more robust authentication method?
>
> I've heard this rumored that this is a problem. I pray it is not! Yikes.
>
>
>
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