I specifically blocked ICMP type 8 which is the echo request, all other
ICMP packets flow, and I tested from a Win XP box both tracert (win
version) and ping, received the desired results (worked fine and
destination unreachable respectively).  Using MTR (Matt's Traceroute)
from a NetBSD box on my network packet loss within the LAN went from
65-75% to 6%.  MTR uses traceroute to determine the path, then pings
each hop in succession to get statistics for each hop.  Interesting that
ping and traceroute are implemented with different protocols, I thought
they only used different ICMP packet types.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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>I was forced to kill all ICMP Echo (they can still use traceroute)
>requests from my dial-up users to solve network issues related to the
>ICMP probing done by the Welchia worm.  Even theough the ping packets
>don't fill the bandwidth, they somehow cause all the interfaces to bog
>down with slow responses even at around 50% utilization....

Just to clarify, traceroute (the Unix version) works with UDP packets to

ports that will rarely ever have a service associated with them, whereas

tracert (the Windows version) will use ICMP packets.  So depending on
the 
tool used, it may or may not work properly with ICMP disabled (some ping

tools use TCP/IP ports, for example, rather than a standard ping
packet).

                                                    -Scott
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