AMEN -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Will Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] OT: Primary Name Server
How about taking this "Off Topic" topic, OFF the List. Blast each other via private e-mails all you want, I just don't want to see the stuff showing up in my Inbox (and I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same). It would be a little different if this was the first time, but this is getting to be a regular occurrence (every 3 months or so). Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] OT: Primary Name Server > > >>Scott playing gotcha games, qualifying, calling me a liar, contradicting > >>me, second guessing, puerile one one-up-manship, etc, etc. > > > >I think you forgot "FUD spreading" and "straw man". :) > > see "etc, etc". > > >Seriously, though, I want you to understand that the problem isn't that I > >hate you. > > never said you did. As always, putting words in my mouth. > > > I'm responding to your words, not you. I'm not calling you a liar, but > > if your words are inaccurate > > In your opinion, which is no better than mine. I've posted numbers here > repeatedly to support my positions, you have never responded with numbers, > just counter-opinions. > > >I will point out that they are inaccurate. > > who appointed you guardian of the flame of truth, AS YOU SEE IT? > > > On the one hand, you've called me "weaselly", "Scott's Tea Party in > > Wonderland", "fantasyland", "FUD from Scott", "totally bogus", "absurd", > > "disservice", "toothless interpretation", "Quit pretending", "Always > > looking for ways to weasel out, aren't you?", "You're playing the > > contrarian, idiotic joker", "Mr Straw Man", "you know darn well", "shut > > up", "don't wimp out", "self-serving, FUD-riddled", "your personal agenda > > of hoping to hell that...". On the other hand, I do not believe I have > > ever attacked you -- just your words. > > ... based on your behavior here. just like this post where you play games > with "you/your words" distinction. > > >The real problem is that you have a lot of knowledge, but you put a lot of > >"spin" on it > > show what spin there is?? substantiate your BS > > your posts drip with pro-declude spin, and anti-what-declude-can't-do > innuendo. > > eg: the recent greylisting thread, where you had nothing to say about it's > effectiveness or Imail/decludes' ability to do it (which was the question) > but with some totally off the wall BS about some developer calling his > thing greylisting. ie, FUD about the definition of greylisting. The spin: > declude can't do greylisting, so you try smear it. > > >and often aren't quite as careful as you need to be with the "spin". > > The real problem only exists only with you. > > >If you post something that is 100% accurate, unbiased, and not misleading > > your hubris is risible. Since when are you the decider of what is > accurate, biased, misleading? > > >, I'm not going to respond. > > absolute BS. that's EXACTLY what did with my first accurate, factual post > in this thread. > > >But once something becomes inaccurate or misleading > > what was inaccurate or misleading about my first post in this > thread? answer that, or STFU. > > >>Every time ANYBODY tells me what I can and cannot post in this forum, > >>they're gonna get my response. > > > >I didn't tell you what you can or cannot post. I told you that it was > >rude to post the information you did. > > Scott: "Please do *NOT* publish that information that you believe to be > sensitive on a public list." > > classic example: giving me (dns, security) posting advice (fat chance!) not > to do something about my "belief" (you know what I believe?) when I didn't > do what you're telling me NOT to do. That's the old "when did stop > beating your wife" tactic. > > >The reason why I posted that was that you implied (perhaps without > >realizing it) that there was a security hole that caused sensitive > >information to be leaked. > > absolutely not. That was your interpretation, which, as you said, you > didn't know what I was talking about. You make the wrong interpretation, > stick your foot in your mouth, and theb accuse me of > spinning? GMAFB. Classic Scott tactics. > > >Yes, I know from your *subsequent* posts that you were referring to a > >potential DoS attack -- > > > but one that few people either know about or are concerned about, > > whereas the sensitive information issue is very well known. > > BS. any records that the DNS admin publishes in a PUBLIC DNS server by > definition cannot be "secure" nor can they be considered "sensitive" since > they are PUBLICLY available to all of Internet. > > >Imagine if I posted "Your website has a security problem -- if you go to > >http://www.example.com/admin/birthdays.asp, it responds with [insert list > >of birthdays here]" -- you would have a right > > to say that it was rude of me to post the list of birthdays, right? > > I don't police/nanny other people. that's your self-appointed role. > > Of the 1000's of people on this list, how is that only you have the > puerile/gotcha compulsion to nanny/police my posts? > > >That's all I did -- said that it was rude. > > > >But then you jumped in > > I posted, I didn't "jump in". More unrelenting spin from Scott. > > > and pointed out that the security flaw that you were referring to was a > > different one. > > I pointed out that your advice to me was total BS and erroneous, based on > your admission that you didn't know what I was talking about. > > >In my example, it's like me saying "But the list of birthdays isn't the > >flaw -- the flaw is that there is some JavaScript on that page that does XYZ". > > >Had you come out and said "Here's the security flaw that you have" > > I did, very clearly: "allowing unrestricted zone transfers is a security > vulnerability". YOU needed to interpret, wrongly, that plain-as-day > statement simply because Len posted it, not because it needed your totally > BS "interpretation". > > >rather than being vague and posting irrelevant and misleading information > >(the zone file), this issue would have been avoided. > > iyo. There is no issue, except your self-appointed role as list nanny, > guardian of the truth as you see it. > > >I'm guessing that was your spin > > there was no spin in my original post to this thread. Show the "spin", or > shut up. > > > (although I'm sure you'll deny it, for whatever reason) > > because "it" is your erroneous opinion. > > challenge: go to my original post in this thread and define any spin. > > >I'm guessing that you wanted people to realize that there were security holes > > You're beginning to see the light, but it's a dim one. > > >but not know what they are, so that they would come to you for further > >guidance. > > What don't you get about "allowing unrestricted zone transfers is a > security vulnerability". where is the spin there? > > > That's OK, if you want to do it > > gee, thanks. I'll stop beating my wife, too, if it's alright with you. > > > -- but once you present misleading information > > I didn't. What info in my original post was misleading? > > > (making it look like a widely known security issue > > I didn't make anything look like anything, except your agenda-driven opinion. > > >and then admitting that it was not supposed to be that one) > > I have unspun, retracted, clarified nothing simply because there's nothing > to retract, clarify, unspin. > > >So if you want to put a spin on your posts > > show me the spin. > > >, that's OK > > gee,thanks > > >but you have to be careful that you aren't misleading or inaccurate. > > Again, giving me advice about what/how to post. shove it. > > Len > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > http://IMGate.MEIway.com : free anti-spam gateway, runs on 1000's of sites > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
