I had pretty much the same conversation with Caitlin yesterday.  Although I did understand some of the logic, I didn't always agree with it.  I suggested that a better way to go would have been to continue with IMail and make available Collaboration Suite to those that Ipswitch claims is wanting such an application.  This would capture both markets and since IMail is at the core of Collaboration Suite, not much extra in development or tech support would be needed.
 
Ipswitch is throwing away some customers in an effort to bring in others.  I believe long term this will show itself to have been a poor approach to the problem Ipswitch was experiencing with IMail, but that is their choice.
 
As I explained to Caitlin, I won't discount Collaboration Suite as useless and something I won't sell to someone, but it really doesn't fit into our product line and I am going to have to move to another mail server product to fill the slot IMail was in.
 
The only other thing I would add to this is that I truely believe Ipswitch has more in the way of management and administration issues contributing to their financial woes, rather than issues with the products themselves.  I do wonder if they ever did any market research on what people think of the nasty attitude of some individuals at Ipswitch and what this has cost them.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 04:12
Subject: [IMail Forum] My overview (opinion) of Ipswitch's e-mail server product offering

The following is based on information available to me, my observances over the last 3 years, conversations I have had over the last 2 days with Renee in sales, Jill Jones, David Karp, David Gregg of dgSoft Internet Services, the various posts and comments on the list, and my opinions.

 

HARD FACTS:

 

1. Any company has the right to do as it sees fit. This is an underlying principle of business in the US, if not also elsewhere.

2. Ipswitch has decided to focus their e-mail server product on the small to medium business market.

3. Ipswitch is intent on pushing AV into the product package.

4. John Korsak chose to leave Ipswitch earlier this year to pursue a change in career path. It appears that he is enjoying his chosen path, and I and others I have spoken to wish him continuing success.

5. Approximately 7 months ago, Ipswitch announced an upcoming add-on for Imail called collaboration, with the biggest features being shared calendaring and shared address books/lists.

6. On October 25, 2004, Ipswitch announced the end of live of Imail, and that EOL date being October 25, 2004.

7. On October 25, 2004, Ipswitch announced a new/repackaged product called Ipswitch Collaboration Suite to replace Imail.

8. All current service agreements for Imail will be honored for the life of the agreement.

9. There are still active version 6.x Imail servers in use.

10. There are still active version 7.x Imail servers in use.

11. The cost for an ISP to upgrade with a current SA to the new product is $3995.

12. The cost for an ISP version yearly SA is $2295.

13. The cost for ICS Standard unlimited with current SA (using BitDefender as the AV product) is $4995.

14. The cost for ICS Standard unlimited yearly SA is $2295.

15. The cost for ICS Premium unlimited with current SA (using Symantec as the AV product) is $5995.

16. The cost for ICS Premium unlimited yearly SA is $4995.

17. I as a small business owner can not afford $2295 for the annual SA for the ISP version, let alone the $3995 for the upgrade.

 

SUBJECTIVE FACTS: (These are purported facts by the reporter, but which I lack the data to accept or reject fully.)

 

1. Per Jill, the majority of cost for Imail support was in direct phone support to the ISP market.

2. Per Jill, the SAs that were purchased as well as purchases of Imail and its associated products did not cover the cost of continuing development and support.

3. Per Jill, there was a major problem of SA expirations between Imail and the AV add-on which was causing confusion/frustration with customers that had SAs for both.

4. Per Jill, there were more requests for the AV add-on than for new Imail purchases.

5. Per an Ipswitch source to remain unnamed, there have been problems in the marketing department personal over the last several years.

6. Per Jill and David Karp, Ipswitch performed marketing research into what customers and potential customers of an Ipswitch e-mail server desired.

7. Per my instincts, Ipswitch used to some extent data from an outside marketing firm that was not directly derived from Ipswitch customers.

8. Per reports on the Imail list, Ipswitch support of problems reported by Imail users has been less than satisfactory on a whole.

9. Per David Karp, there will be at least one more version of Imail within the next year for those users with a SA for Imail, most likely 8.16 or 8.20.

10. Per my instincts, there will be still active version 8.x Imail servers in use 2 years from now.

11. Per an Ipswitch source to remain unnamed, there were/are several people within Ipswitch that do not agree with parts of what Ipswitch has done/changed to Imail.

12. Ipswitch is will fully abandoning a specific segment of their customer base.

 

My Opinions/thoughts/recommendations:

 

1. Marketing surveys should be taken with a grain of salt. The outcome of the survey is dependent on the questions asked, and the questions asked is subjective to the one asking and/or under the direction of the entity desiring the results.

2. Sales should always be taken with a grain of salt, as they have a motive in selling the product they are offering.

3. Ipswitch should offer a basic ICS package for EXISTING ISP customers with a current SA for Imail without AV included for around $1000.

4. Ipswitch should abandon the flat yearly SA fee model, and instead adopt what other software vendors have: A 2 level SA scheme, where by you can purchase a yearly upgrade SA for say $250 and a unlimited yearly support SA for say $750. If you do not have yearly support SA, a per incident support fee of say $250 would apply. (Those prices would be for ISP versions. Business version would have higher rates.)

5. Just because a specific segment of a customer base does not result in good income amounts is not reason to abandon them out right.

6. I have a client who falls within the targeted market of the new ICS. For that client to upgrade to receive the features they have been waiting for would cost them $4995, a cost they can not afford.

7. ICS standard 100 user new cost is $2495. Windows Small Business server 2003, which includes Exchange, for 50 users costs about $4000, and that includes Exchange and SQL servers. Therefore, from a value standpoint, Windows Small Business Server 2003 standard makes more sense cost wise that does ICS standard 100 user. Of course you would need to add anti-spam and anti-virus to the server, but the point is priced too high even for that market.

8. Instead of using pricing levels of 25, 100, 250 and unlimited users, a more realistic pricing level would be 50, 250, 1000 and unlimited users.

 

I am tired and falling asleep, and I have to be at a client at 6:30 AM, so good night for now.

 

John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You

 

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