Hi, A fellow IMail owner opened already a forum, thanks to chris
www.imailcommunity.com ============================================ Am Freitag, 29. Oktober 2004 um 14:55 schrieben Sie: > I agree, Martin. We're trying to get Ipswitch to work with us, so we don't > need to keep adding fuel to the flame when it comes to discussing competitor > products. We need this list right now, and don't need them to pull the > plug. > IMHO. > ----- > Tom Pepper > | Hi Ted, > | > | Maybe it's idea to continue the discussion about different products in an > other forum. > | I think, this is the wrong place. > | > | > | ============================================ > | Am Freitag, 29. Oktober 2004 um 14:38 schrieben Sie: > | | >> Marak is one that sticks in my mind, however I want to make triple sure > that | >> whatever we get will be sure to stop any attacks that generate > internally, | >> both spam and AV type emails. I don't want to see us on any black > listings | >> anyway! > | | >> -----Original Message----- | >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Stovall | >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:51 AM | >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail Replacement compilation > | | >> I have to say that my evaluation of the Merak Mail product has | >> exceeded my expectations. We originally purchased iMail because we | >> were looking for an email solution for our students, which they would | >> access solely through the webmail interface. Upon installation of | >> iMail, I noticed the webmail interface to be rather bland. That was | >> even the case after applying KillerWebMail templates. Out of the box, | >> the Merak Mail web interface looked 5 times better. Not to mention | >> that issues we were having with iMail were nonexistent in Merak Mail. | >> Anyone who still wishes to find an iMail replacement and hasn't looked | >> at Merak as a viable alternative, I highly recommend doing so. > | > | | >> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:21:23 -0700, Ted Galerneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> Wow, thanks for the list! I have invested several hours today in this | >>> researching and still haven't looked at some of the links you've > provided. | >>> However I did get off on a pleasant and possible more profitable > tangent | >>> while looking at SmarterMail and seeing that it works with some very | >>> affordable Windows based remote control panels like Helm and Hosting | >>> Controller which can also support many of the other email servers I am | >>> looking at, including IMail (yah right)! For less than the investment > that | >>> Ipswitch expects from us for ICS we could easily setup a whole new > email | >>> server and a new additional web server complete with a control panel > which | >>> requires way less maintenance and could actually boost profits way more | >> than | >>> ICS unlimited users would, which many of us already need as it is > unless | >>> your user base is less than 250. | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> Email software /w unlimited accounts, 30 days of free support & free | >>> upgrades for a year starting at $499.00 and $50 support calls after the | >>> initial 30 days of free support are up. Control Panel, unlimited > domains | >>> with 1 year support and upgrades = $698.00. Maybe another $1200 or so > for | >>> one additional server with OS, and converting the newly retired Imail | >> server | >>> and OS into a new web machine for the control panel. The total > investment | >>> would be about $2397.00, which is much less than the least expensive | >>> unlimited ICS offerings from Ipswitch. | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> Or we could all go for one of the even more expensive email servers > with | >>> unlimited regular accounts that would also include some Outlook > workgroup | >>> accounts that we could update incrementally as needed and still save > money | >>> from what Ipswitch wants by the New Year. For this add another $1400 to | >> the | >>> equation above. Either way other than staying with Ipswitch we could | >> easily | >>> host many new domains with lots of new email accounts and still offer > ICS | >> if | >>> a client wants it enough to pay the incremental cost themselves and | >> produce | >>> a full return for our investment sooner while saving money in the mean | >> time. | >>> Chances are we would probably recover the smaller expenses outlined > above | >>> much faster than we could by going with ICS and maybe even needing to | >>> purchase yet another full version of ICS later on because something new | >>> would break what we have and that is not covered with an SA unless of | >> course | >>> we want to just throw good hard earned money away every year. The | >> investment | >>> noted above would also help to reduce operating overhead by making use > of | >>> the automated control panel for clients to make automated orders and > setup | >>> their own stuff and maintain their own accounts and billing. | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> Or option 2, we that have more than 250 email clients could just spend > a | >>> minimum of $3995 for the new Ipswitch ICS bundle, assuming we buy it > now | >> and | >>> sacrifice a better Xmas for our children or grandchildren or wait a > while | >>> longer and pay yet another grand or more for it. Hmmmmm, I wonder how > much | >>> new revenue we could generate by trying to force the newly incurred > costs | >> of | >>> the ICS bundle on our own existing clients some of which are already | >>> shopping for less expensive hosting options and get them to pay more? I | >> just | >>> don't have the heart to treat our clients like that while the newer and | >>> cheaper web hosting companies are offering more for less than we can | >> provide | >>> with what we already have with less or no phone support like what we | >> offer. | >>> How can they charge so little and still make any profit while bending > over | >>> backwards or whichever way for the bigger companies that we must all | >>> purchase our tools from that want take more and more money from us each | >>> year? Or are those companies just bootlegging the software they use? | >> Perhaps | >>> I am just too honest to be in this business anymore. | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> Lastly, out of our needed unlimited licenses for email (since we have > more | >>> than a 250 user base) I seriously doubt that I could talk 50 to 100 of > our | >>> existing clients into forking over another $1 each a month for ICS | >> features. | >>> Doing the math that is a max of $1200 per year in additional revenue if | >> I'm | >>> really lucky. This means we would still need to pay out another > additional | >>> $2795 for what we don't have the market for but have grown to like over | >> the | >>> years in spite of some of the hurdles we've had. Trying calling Imail | >>> support when there is a global problem and something breaks Imail all | >> over! | >>> You are right Ipswitch, our $495 a year don't really cover the support > J | >>> What are you people thinking? | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> I apologize for the rave, but I also hope I sound as bummed out as much > as | >> I | >>> really am by this outrageous thing that Ipswitch is putting off on us > all! | >>> I've never wanted to wish anyone anything bad before because I believe > in | >>> Karma. I am going to try and hold on to my ethics and beliefs because > my | >>> guess is Ipswitch will be getting a large dose of what goes around > comes | >>> around. Probably even if they totally back peddle on this one, much > harm | >> is | >>> done already and many long time trusts are already broken. I will try | >> really | >>> to stop ranting from this point on, but I just don't know how else to | >> really | >>> get their attention and I am pretty frustrated right now. | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> ________________________________ | >>> | >>> | >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of | >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:51 PM | >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >>> Subject: [IMail Forum] IMail Replacement compilation | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> We have been using IMail since 1997 (it's crashing our 1st server > almost | >> put | >>> us out of business in 1997, that server is still running today). We | >>> currently have 2 mail servers that we run and several co-located > customers | >>> who are also running IMail. We just built a new server to upgrade one > of | >> our | >>> IMail servers, at which time we would have renewed our service > agreement | >>> with the hope to continue to use their product for another 7 years. All > I | >>> can say to IMail's developers and support people is "thank you for the | >> many | >>> years of use out of a great product." | >>> | >>> Unfortunately since Ipswitch is no longer interested in meeting our > needs | >>> by bloating a product beyond our needs we have decided to move on. We | >> don't | >>> need all the bells and whistles, we just need a solid mail server that | >> will | >>> handles 1000's of accounts on many domains and not break the bank. As > such | >> I | >>> have taken the time to read all the mail posted in the last few days > and | >>> compile a list of commercial different solutions along with their cost > to | >>> meet our needs. In all cases I looked for Unlimited Domains & Unlimited | >>> Users. If UNK is shown it means that the price was not clearly > available | >> or | >>> it was unclear. | >>> | >>> I have indicated which products clearly listed a migration tool for | >> IMail. | >>> | >>> I have not distinguished which products have Group Ware (we don't care > or | >>> need it) or have anti-spam/anti-virus capabilities (we are covered > here - | >>> thanks to Len and IMGate) as most of them do now days. | >>> | >>> If I have missed anyone or gotten the pricing wrong, I apologize. I > hope | >>> to put together a similar list of Open Source Software solutions that > also | >>> meet our requirement of unlimited users with unlimited domains. Any | >>> suggestions here would be appreciated. | >>> | >>> | >>> P.S. | >>> I hope I got the capitalization of IMail and Ipswitch correct. | >>> | >>> Deerfield: http://www.deerfield.com/products/visnetic-mailserver/ | >>> $1,950.00 | >>> | >>> FTGate http://www.ftgate.com/showpage.asp?id=57 | >>> �600 | >>> | >>> Kerio http://www.kerio.com/kms_active_dir.html > | | >>> UNK | >>> | >>> MailEnable: http://www.mailenable.com > | | >>> $220 | >>> | >>> MailMax 5.5: http://www.smartmax.com/mailmax.aspx | >>> $1499 | >>> | >>> MDeamon http://www.altn.com/ | >>> $1,980.00 | >>> | >>> Merak: | >>> http://merakmailserver.com/Products/Mail_Server_Migration_Tool/ > $Depends | >> on | >>> options | >>> Has migration tool. | >>> | >>> ModusMail: http://www.vircom.com/Products/Modus/ModusMail/ > | | >>> UNK | >>> | >>> SLMail Pro http://www.slmail.com/default.asp > | | >>> $1,450 | >>> | >>> SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/Default.aspx | >>> $495.00 | >>> Discount pricing: | >>> http://www.plateaultd.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=254 | >>> $199.00 | >>> Has migration tool. | >>> | >>> Surge Mail: http://netwinsite.com/surgemail/ > | | >>> $770 | >>> | >>> WinMail http://www.magicwinmail.net/technic.asp $1299 | >>> | >>> WorkGroupMail http://www.workgroupmail.com/contactus.asp | >>> $1495 | >>> | >>> | >>> Additional Products: http://www.emailman.com/win/servers.html | >>> | >>> I am sure I have missed some as I only have 25 hours in a day to > address | >>> potential areas of growth thrown my way. 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