On Thursday, December 2, 2004, 14:04:38, Len Conrad wrote:
>>Umm...  perhaps  I'm  missing  something  but  I  don't  see how one can
>>determine  "exactly  how  the  WAN  link is performing" from pinging and
>>tracerouteing.
>
> easy. Congestion, steady state or transient, is shown by the millisecond 
> delay from mtr along the route to each hop.

But  the  only  item of interest for "how the WAN link is performing" is
the hop from your router to your ISPs.  Ping/traceroute can only measure
one protocol at a time.  Its also subject to any rate limiting and other
QoS limitations in effect at your or your ISPs router.

> Sure, but not everybody who runs Imail has admin access to the local router
> or Cisco command skills.

True  but  everybody should be able to look at an MRTG graph and see the
pretty coloured lines go up and down.

> I'd be very surprised if the conclusions about the health of a route  from 
> mtr stats and cisco stats would be totally different.  I would expect them 
> to be identical, with mtr being much more accessible than cisco commands.

But  it  doesn't  give  many  hints as to why the WAN link is performing
badly.  If I see a high transmit or receive load that gives me different
information than seeing a high number of CRC errors or overruns.

> mtr shows packet counts and losses per node, ping round-trip-time 
> as  min/avg/max per node.  A quick and dirty and easy go/nogo tool.

I'm  not  knocking  it from that point of view, I'm all for quick, dirty
and easy :-)

I  was  just  objecting to your "exactly how the WAN link is performing"
phrase.

Having  MRTG in place also gives history so when someone says "I came in
on  Saturday  and response time was terrible" you can see if there was a
utilization spike at some point.

Glancing  at  the  graphs  can  also  give  an  indication of increasing
bandwidth needs so you've got time to start budgeting for an upgrade.

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