Yes, but in the dial world you know who is sending mail through your server,
so leave port 25 open for dial users only, and have your non-dial users to
send to port 587 via SMTP AUTH.

You should be able to trace dial offenders easily through your logs and
freeze their accounts if there's a problem.  Since you control the network
they're using to access the internet, you can enforce security at the
dial-up access level rather than at the SMTP level, which is just as good if
not better.

For those using other ISPs to connect to your mail servers, that's when you
could enforce SMTP AUTH.

For monitoring customers, a simple report showing incoming and outgoing
totals, ordered by volume, should show you quickly who potential offenders
might be.  There's no excuse for us to say we're fighting spam and not
police our own networks.  A simple report delivered nightly via email could
show incoming and outgoing volume for each domain, ordered by decreasing
volume.  It takes less than a minute to scan the top and make sure there are
no potential problems.  That's a minute a day we can afford to ensure there
are no violations we need to investigate, as well as protecting our mail
servers from abuse that could affect all customers.  So I guess that,
instead of not being able to afford to do it, I would argue that you can't
afford _not_ to do it.

Darin.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Frolick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ted Galerneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:34 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Lycos goes limp


One thing that seems to be getting ignored is the fact that there are
thousands of small ISP's that rely on wholesale dial to provide
nationwide access, I certainly do.  The problem is that we have zero
control over where they are coming from and what type of filtering is
done.  The only time they touch my network is when they pull up our
site, send/recieve mail, or use the news server.  The dial providers do
not restrict port 25, because it would force the settings change for
millions of subscribers (default for all clients is 25, not 587, and
many mail servers don't support 587).

We are also a hosting provider, and our customers an send mail through
their hosted server, we respond to complaints quickly, but we are
not set up to, nor do we have the manpower to police all outgoing mail
from these servers.  The added expense to do such would put us out of
business.  We do what we can, but with so many cut rate hosting
providers out there, margins are very thin, the ISP has to pay the
bulk of our bandwidth cost.

-- 
Best regards,
 Charles                            mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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