I must have missed a reply but someone said that they bought a 100KW
generator? I was wondering how much that was?
We've got a 15 KW which charges our 10 KW UPS but it would be real nice
to have one that runs the building. That cost us $2500 so I imagine a
100KW would be $20K?
I also think we need to be talking about amps and not watts here. Our
cooling system is a dinosaur from the mainframe days but it's still
working like a champ. I haven't looked but I would guess that it's in
the 100 amp range to run it. Since our data center has doors on each
end of it we get good airflow through it with them open.
Don Brown wrote:
I had a lot of other electrical work done at the same time and didn't
break it out. In my market, I'd guess it would cost about $1,500 or
so for a licensed electrician to do the installation.
Look in the yellow pages and google for a local Generac service
company. They should be able to give you a good guesstimate, without
coming out to the site.
You need to have it installed by a Generac dealer or licensed
electrician in order to send in the warranty card. The card requires
the license number . . .
In my case, I also need a plumber to run the Natural Gas line and for
the Gas Co. to install a larger, more adequate meter. It does suck
down some NG when it runs and the std meter and pipe size is too small
to support the load. That will also void the warranty, if not properly
sized for the unit.
Sunday, January 2, 2005, 6:23:33 PM, Chris Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CU> What do you end up spending on installation, electrician, etc... (leaving
CU> out cost of generator) ?
CU> At 02:48 PM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
It was $2,880 (MSRP $3,997)including lift-gate freight from Norwall
PowerSystems
in AZ. Model 4390, 13KW Natural Gas.
You'll need to buy a battery for it and make sure you have a 11-14" WC
Natural Gas regulator.
Check eBay, too.
Friday, December 31, 2004, 5:39:02 PM, Matrosity Tech Support
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MTS> how much was that little puppy?
MTS> Don Brown wrote:
We've got the largest 'air cooled' Generac and run natural gas. We
only use about 40A of the 100A capacity to power all of our network,
air, lights and other essential items. It's been in service about 2
yrs and it's trouble free.
We found a place in Arizona on the Internet (don't remember the name)
with a good price, including lift-gate shipping.
Friday, December 31, 2004, 11:07:48 AM, Dan Barker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DB> Aw shucks, why not now!
DB>
DB> Generac, free shipping, free AUTOMATIC transfer switch, free
DB> pad, under $3K, 15KW. Add $500 for a 250-gallon propane tank and
DB> "Surf til you drop!".
DB>
DB> Dan
DB>
DB> I run 6 servers on a $120 Belkin 1200 va. The monitor
DB> software says it's 56% loaded, and the battery shows about 65%
DB> after the generator kicks on.
DB> -----Original Message-----
DB> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DB> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris
DB> Ulrich
DB> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:24 AM
DB> To: [email protected]
DB> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: KVM over IP & RemoteReboot
DB> Hi Matt. Thanks - I think you're right on target for future growth.
DB> Since we're in control of all machines and these are not
DB> colo's, the multiple user access isn't even a necessity - but
DB> great to know, and a good item at $139 MSRP
DB> What we're likely to do is use some older 8 port
DB> MasterSwitches, plug them into the existing UPS (which should
DB> be enough for 4 of these machines) and just use
DB> four of the ports, leaving the other four empty. We can pick these
up very cheap on eBay.
DB> On the new machines - we're going to put 12 per "metro
DB> rack", plus KVM, local (to the rack) 10/100 switch, keyboard and
DB> monitor -
DB> your approach sounds best - one larger UPS with an extra
DB> attached battery (around $1k MSRP) plus the $139 MasterSwitch
DB> Thanks for all the advice. Next week... generators... ; )
DB> Hope everyone has a happy & healthy New Year. I know I'll
DB> be home, monitoring the network, just in case that pesky Y2K
DB> bug shows up late....
DB> Chris
DB> At 01:18 AM 12/31/2004, you wrote:
DB> I'm thinking that maybe something got lost in the
DB> shuffle here when APC was first discussed. The older model
DB> MasterSwitch did not allow for individual logins to control
DB> individual ports, however, the newer versions do, and this is
DB> a lot less expensive than buying individual devices for each
DB> outlet.
DB> For each rack (set of servers), get a single UPS that
DB> can handle the wattage of the combined servers for the
DB> necessary period of time, and add a MasterSwitch or other PDU
DB> from APC that allows for separate logins for separate ports, and
DB> you have yourself a complete solution without a wiring mess
DB> or excessive equipment to support. Just read the manuals
DB> associated with the PDU's listed on APC's site:
DB> http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=70
DB> Note from the MasterSwitch product brochure:
DB> Individual Outlet Control
DB> MasterSwitch products provide power solutions for co-locators
(COLOs) and
DB> Internet Service Providers (ISPs). COLOs and ISPs can take control
of their
DB> businesses by giving control back to their customers. This is done
by administrators
DB> assigning individual or multiple outlet control to user accounts.
DB> Customers then have the ability to control their equipments
power without onsite
DB> intervention.
DB> The prices listed on their site are the MSRP's, and new
DB> from Shopper.com you will generally do better than 20% off
DB> that price. Find something suitable and used on eBay and get +50%
DB> off. The following 16-port device has an MSRP of $139 and allows
DB> for multiple users:
DB>
DB>
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9227
DB> A used (eBay) UPS that doesn't need special wiring and
DB> can handle the load (~2,000 VA) with new batteries and a new
DB> 16 port MasterSwitch of this type should run somewhere around
DB> $500...shipped.
DB> Matt
DB> P. Guethlein wrote:
DB> At 01:06 PM 12/30/2004 -0600, you wrote:
DB> Wouldn't something like this work for you.
DB> http://www.dataprobe.com/power/iboot.html
DB> Tim
DB> Here's one that is less expensive.
DB> http://www.RemotePowerSwitch.com
DB> -Pete
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