Thanks for the reply. I should clarify...
I'm expecting to see "pseudo push" type behaviour. I perceive the
benefits of this to be:
1. That emails will (should?) arrive to be read in my email client as
soon as they are sent - not after the next timed poll.
2. My MTA (Postfix) and desktop client (Apple Mail) both run on the
same machine. It seems daft for the machine to keep polling itself. I
was looking to find a less intensive solution.
3. A step towards helping with general bandwidth and battery issues.
I use a mobile phone to connect to the server a lot - either in its
own right, or as a modem for the laptop.
I have complete control over who and what connects to the server, and
can guarantee that Microsoft Outlook does not.
I have read in the list archive about NAT issues - that's a bit of a
blow I agree! However, I was still hoping to try and make it work on
the desktop - to achieve the benefits of "instant delivery".
You seem not to be a fan of Idle! Am I over-estimating its benefits?
Simon
On 30 Mar 2008, at 05:10, Mark Crispin wrote:
I'm confused. What do you expect to happen?
IDLE is not something that end users would normally see any
difference. The only visible change is that a mobile phone would
need to transmit a little bit less -- assuming that there is no NAT
between the mobile phone and the server.
I see no particular benefit to use of IDLE on a desktop machine
(and substantial negatives due to the NAT issue and to the bugs in
how Microsoft implements IDLE in Outlook), and at best limited
benefit to a laptop machine if (and only if) it is using wide-area
wireless as opposed to WiFi.
Put another way, for all but the mobile device using wide-area
wireless (such as a phone) with metered usage and/or battery
issues, IDLE gains little or nothing. Nor are users likely to see
any difference when using IDLE other than lower meter usage and
longer battery life on a mobile device.
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, simon haywood wrote:
I suspect my brains are somewhat smaller than most of the
subscribers to this list, so please bear with me...
I'm trying to get Idle to work, and I'm not getting far. I've read
just about everything I can find (which isn't to say that I've
found everything), and I can't see where I'm going wrong. My
question to this list is simply: "Do I need to alter my
configuration for Idle to work as I'm expecting?"
For reference, the details of my setup:
I'm running a "server" for my own personal use. It's an OSX (G4)
box, running 10.4.11. (note, it's OSX "standard", not OSX Server)
I got a little help configuring Postfix and UW-IMAP here: http://
cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServe/
IMAP clients are: Apple Mail (running on the "server");
SquirrelMail Webmail Server running on "server"; Apple Mail
running on another machine (for the purposes of testing, the
separate machine is on the same subnet, therefore not defeated by
NAT etc - but normally anywhere on the Internet on the other side
of a NAT router.); and a mobile phone that claims to support IMAP
Idle.
I've installed the Idle pluggin for Apple Mail 2.x from here:
http://www.rothwell.us/imapidle/index.html
The logs on my (separate) client machine show that Idle mode is
"accepted":
2008-03-24 22:50:03.352 Mail[1869] Account 'sh net' starting
192.168.178.22:143
2008-03-24 22:50:03.352 Mail[1869] Opening connection to
192.168.178.22
2008-03-24 22:50:03.372 Mail[1869] Account 'sh net' is
authenticating using 'LOGIN'
2008-03-24 22:50:03.462 Mail[1869] Account 'sh net' has accepted
IDLE mode
2008-03-24 22:50:03.462 Mail[1869] Account 'sh net' has accepted
IDLE mode
2008-03-24 22:50:03.462 Mail[1869] Account 'sh net' has accepted
IDLE mode
2008-03-24 22:50:03.462 Mail[1869] Account 'sh net' has accepted
IDLE mode
2008-03-24 22:50:03.462 Mail[1869] Account 'sh net' has accepted
IDLE mode
However, it simply does not work as expected - nothing happens!
I'm defeated.
Any clues or pointers etc gratefully received....
Thanks
simon
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