Hi Adrien,

--On February 17, 2012 12:44:56 AM +1300 Adrien de Croy <[email protected]> wrote:

The Cyrus Project aims to include CalDAV support as part of the Cyrus
IMAP server, which would make CalDAV deployment much simpler for any
sites that are already running Cyrus.

as someone looking to add CalDAV to a mail server, wouldn't it be nice if
you didn't have to

a) write a web server
b) write DAV extensions
c) layer XML on top of that
d) debug / support all of the above

just to get a calendar?

You fail to appreciate the hard part here - it is not the protocol (which, guess what, is not that hard to do as there are many off-the-shelf webdav implementations to pick on as a starting point - and indeed within a few months of the initial draft being published we had several servers and clients interoperating). The hard part is the semantics of calendaring. As someone who has lived in both the IMAP (email) world, and the iCalendar/CalDAV world, I can tell you that calendaring is like an order of magnitude more complex than email - specifically scheduling.

CalDAV servers are very "write heavy" in that there are a lot of modifications happening to existing data - that is something not typical of an IMAP server where modifications are simply metadata changes (flags) or actual message "injection" (delivery, APPEND) or deletion. So if you want to build a high performance CalDAV server you need to take that into account and build something whose scalability is based on a different set of client/server interactions than is typical for IMAP.

That is not to say that building that within IMAP or on top of an existing mailstore is impossible - it is. But what is more important is to fully understand the core use cases - or more importantly the requirements for the client/server api.

What I would really like us to focus on here, is not IMAP5 per se, but instead a "generic" mail store access API. Lets define the key operations needed by clients and a server API that can provide those behaviors. Once we have that, we can fit it into any protocol we like, be it extensions to IMAP4 (to make IMAP5), HTTP, XMPP whatever. The same thing can be done for a calendar store api (and indeed the Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium has been working on generic abstractions giving rise to REST and SOAP based protocols all built on the same store api model used by CalDAV).

--
Cyrus Daboo

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